Rules Clarification : Open Fist  (aka, Power Attack Throw)     (Edit)

• Throw ( Edit )
  • See also the Throw article for a recap of the core Throw rules.
  • If a model is somehow thrown at itself (which can happen with Durst1's feat) it would not move, it would be knocked down, and it would take a standard power attack damage roll but it would not take an additional die for colliding with itself. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Because you move the target model between the attack roll and the damage roll, you can get different buffs applied to the two rolls. For instance, if you throw the target in or out of a Flanking model's melee range.

• Incorporeal vs Slammed/Thrown models ( Edit )
  • Incorporeal models cannot be moved by someone trying to slam them.
  • Slammed models can move through Incorporeal models.
    • If they have enough movement to get past them, no dramas.
    • If they land on them, you move the Incorporeal model out of the way as per the Rule of Least Disturbance.
    • If the Incorporeal model cannot be moved (i.e. it's a flag) then you move the slammed model out of the way, also by the rule of Least Disturbance.
    • For the purposes of Collateral Damage, only the model(s) you contacted before you applied the rule of Least Disturbance count as contacted.
  • The same logic applies to Throws.

• Collateral Damage
  • Collateral damage cannot be boosted and is not considered damage from an attack or model. Refer page 33 of the 2021.08 version of the rules pdf. As a result:
    • It doesn't trigger stuff that relies on being hit by an enemy (such as Shock Field) or damaged by an enemy (such as Vengeance).
    • It doesn't get bonus damage from stuff that adds to a model's damage roll (such as Signs & Portents or Prey).
    • It doesn't matter if the attacker has crippled weapon systems or aspects.
• Throw - Power Attack
  • When you make a Throw Power Attack, no other abilities of the Fist weapon (such as Chain Strike) are applied unless they specifically mention Throws. (Locked Thread)
  • If you do a Power Attack Throw and you choose to throw the target directly away, no deviation is rolled to determine the final position of the model. (Locked thread)
  • A model that cannot be targeted by melee attacks (such as Una2's feat) cannot have models thrown at them, either. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Since throwing Model [A] at Model [B] involves making a melee attack roll vs Model [B] which is out of your melee range, it technically breaks a whole bunch of core rules. (Infernal Checking)
  • Even though you make a "melee attack roll" vs Model [B] you don't actually make a melee attack vs it. Also, the damage it suffers is from Collateral damage, not from the original attack. So you can't trigger stuff like Snacking from damage you did to Model B.

Rules Clarification : Pitch      (Edit)

• If you Pitch on a charge attack, then the throw damage will be boosted (but not collateral damage).
• Throw ( Edit )
  • See LPG - Being Thrown and LPG - Power Attack: Throw for general recaps of how those rules work.
  • See for clarifications specific to a Power Attack: Throw.

   

  • If a model is somehow thrown at itself (which can happen with Durst1's feat) it would not move, it would be knocked down, and it would take a standard power attack damage roll but it would not take an additional die for colliding with itself. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Because you move the target model between the attack roll and the damage roll, you can get different buffs applied to the two rolls. For instance, if you throw the target in or out of a Flanking model's melee range.

• Incorporeal vs Slammed/Thrown models ( Edit )
  • Incorporeal models cannot be moved by someone trying to slam them.
  • Slammed models can move through Incorporeal models.
    • If they have enough movement to get past them, no dramas.
    • If they land on them, you move the Incorporeal model out of the way as per the Rule of Least Disturbance.
    • If the Incorporeal model cannot be moved (i.e. it's a flag) then you move the slammed model out of the way, also by the rule of Least Disturbance.
    • For the purposes of Collateral Damage, only the model(s) you contacted before you applied the rule of Least Disturbance count as contacted.
  • The same logic applies to Throws.

• Collateral Damage
  • Collateral damage cannot be boosted and is not considered damage from an attack or model. Refer page 33 of the 2021.08 version of the rules pdf. As a result:
    • It doesn't trigger stuff that relies on being hit by an enemy (such as Shock Field) or damaged by an enemy (such as Vengeance).
    • It doesn't get bonus damage from stuff that adds to a model's damage roll (such as Signs & Portents or Prey).
    • It doesn't matter if the attacker has crippled weapon systems or aspects.

Rules Clarification : Powerful Charge  and/or Brutal Charge     (Edit)

• If you declare a charge but move less than 3", then the attack doesn't count as a "Charge Attack" and you won't get the bonus.

Rules Clarification : Warjack      (Edit)

• The Cortex/Induction core rule means a warjack cannot have more than 3 focus at any time (maybe 4 if they're really special).
  • Many abilities give out focus and don't state an upper limit (such as Convection and Empower). Despite not stating an upper limit, they are always "hard-limited" by the core rule.
  • A warjack can have more than 3 focus during a turn, though. For instance, a knocked down warjack can Power Up and be Allocated 2 focus, then spend 1 to shake knockdown, then another model could Empower it back up to 3.
• Warjacks cannot spend focus outside of their activation. For instance, they can't boost free strikes or trigger Powerful Attack on Broadsides. (Infernal Ruling)

Inert warjacks

• Abilities that say they cannot be used if the model is stationary (such as Shield Guard) cannot be used while a warjack is inert, either. Refer "Warcaster Destruction", page 59 of the core rulebook.

Rules Clarification : Channeler  and/or Arc Node     (Edit)
General

• It is possible to channel a spell with a range of CTRL. The control range is still measured from the caster though, so channeling it has zero effect ... unless you've got something like Empowered Arc Node or Reaction Drive. Stuff like that can trigger. (Infernal Ruling)

Channeling in melee

• A channeler that is engaged by an enemy model can not channel.
• A channeler that is engaging an enemy model can channel. (For example, the channeler is standing in the enemy's back arc.)

Channeler - LOS

• You use the channeler's abilities when determining LOS (such as whether you can see your target through a forest).
  • If the channeler has an ability to ignore LOS or DEF bonuses (such as Eyeless Sight), then you only apply that "ignorance" to LOS (but not to the DEF bonus).

Caster - Attack roll

• You use the caster's abilities when determining attack roll modifiers (such as whether a target standing in a forest gets +2 DEF or not).
  • If the caster has an ability to ignore LOS or DEF bonuses (such as Eyeless Sight), then you only apply that "ignorance" to the dice roll (but not to the LOS).

Stealth - It affects both LOS and the attack roll

• Since Stealth has both a LOS modifier (stealth models more than 5" away aren't intervening models) and an attack roll modifier (stealth models more than 5" away are auto-missed) things get a little complicated.
• If only the channeler ignores stealth, then all stealth models count as intervening models and block LOS, but the caster will auto-miss models more than 5" from the channeler.
• If only the caster ignores stealth, then only models within 5" of the channeler block LOS, but the caster won't auto-miss no matter what you target.
• If both channeler and caster ignore Stealth, it works as you'd expect.
• Stealth Examples     [Show/Hide]

  • Caster has Eyeless Sight, channeler does not.
    1. Stealth model is within 5" of channeler
       • LOS - The model counts as an intervening model, as per the normal Stealth rules
       • Attack roll - If you attack it then you don't auto-miss, as per the normal Stealth rules
    2. Stealth model is more than 5" away from channeler
       • LOS - The model does not count as an intervening model, as per the normal Stealth rules.
       • Attack roll - If you attack it then you don't auto-miss, as the attacking model has Eyeless Sight.
    3. Stealth model is more than 5" away from channeler, and you want to target a model behind it.
       • LOS - The front model doesn't block LOS
       • Attack roll - Doesn't auto-miss

   

  • Caster hasn't got Eyeless Sight, channeler does.
    1. Stealth model is within 5" of channeler
       • LOS - The model counts as an intervening model, as per the normal Stealth rules
       • Attack roll - If you attack it then you don't auto-miss, as per the normal Stealth rules
    2. Stealth model is more than 5" away from channeler
       • LOS - The model counts as an intervening model, because the model drawing LOS ignores Stealth.
       • Attack roll - If you attack it then you will auto-miss, as the attacker doesn't ignore Stealth.
    3. Stealth model is more than 5" away from channeler, and you want to target a model behind it.
       • LOS - The front model blocks LOS, so you can't target the rear model.
       • Attack roll - N/A