LPG - Power Attack: Throw

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  • Thrown - the weapon ability that adds the model's STR to the ranged damage.
  • Throw - A recap of the Throw rules.
  • Category:Throw - A list of special abilities/weapons that can trigger a Throw.
Power Attack (Edit)
Head-Butt Category:Head-Butt
Power Strike Being Slammed Colossals & Gargantuans only
Slam Being Slammed Category: Slam
Sweep Colossals & Gargantuans only
Throw Being Thrown Category: Throw
Trample Category: Trample
Power Attack Tactics


A Throw can be caused by either a Power Attack or as the special effect from a spell/weapon. Regardless of the cause, the effect on the thrown model is the same.

Throwing (Power Attack)

Any warjack or warbeast can make a Throw Power Attack, if it has at least one non-crippled weapon that has the Open Fist quality.

Choose a target

  1. The range of the attack is equal to the weapon's melee range.
    • Chain Strike does not increase the range, because you do not apply weapon special rules to Power Attacks (unless they specifically reference Power Attacks, like Hard Head does). (Locked Thread)
  2. You cannot target a model on a larger base.

Try to pick up the target

  1. Make a melee attack. If it misses, nothing happens.
    • Your activation continues, but you're pretty much limited to just buying additional basic melee attacks.
  2. If it hits, you need to make a STR check.
  3. Both models roll a d6 and add their STR.
    • If the attacker has two or more Open Fists, they roll 2d6.
    • For a huge-based model, it doesn't matter if the Open Fists are in the same Firing Arc and/or whether the target is in the melee range of both fists. The rule is simply: If you have two fists, you get the buff.
  4. If the attacker's is equal or higher than the target, he is successful.

Throw directly away

  1. If you choose to throw it directly away, the target is thrown a distance equal to half the attacker's STR.
  2. That is the 'Point of Impact'. There is no deviation roll required. (Infernal Ruling)
  3. Now refer to the rules for "Being Thrown", below
  4. After resolving the throw your activation continues, but you're pretty much limited to just buying additional basic melee attacks.

Throw at something

  1. If you choose to throw it at something, you need to pick a new target.
    • Because throwing models at other models is considered still a melee attack, if a model "cannot be targeted by melee attacks" then you can't throw anyone at it. (Infernal Ruling)
  2. You can pick any model, of any base size, in the attacker's LOS.
    • Ignore the soon-to-be-thrown model when determining LOS.
  3. Check if the new target is within range.
    • Your max range is equal to half the attacker's STR.
    • The range is measured between the thrown model and the new target. Not between the attacker and the new target.
  4. Out of range:
    • If it's outside the range, then your 'Point of Impact' is at your max range, on a line directly between the attacker and the target model. Not between the thrown model and the target.
  5. In range:
    • Make a melee attack against the new target.
    • If this attack hits, then move the thrown model directly towards the new target. The 'Point of Impact' is where it contacts the new target.
    • If this attack misses, roll a d3 deviation, from the centre of the new target's base. Now move the thrown model directly towards this deviation point. The 'Point of Impact' is where it either contacts the new target, or reaches the deviation point [verification needed]
  6. Now refer to the rules for "Being Thrown", below
  7. After resolving the throw your activation continues, but you're pretty much limited to just buying additional basic melee attacks.


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Tip !
There a few unresolved rules interactions with throwing models at other models. Refer to the Rules Clarifications section at the bottom of the page

Throwing (Other)

There are several weapons/spells that cause the target to be thrown, you can review them at Category: Throw.

When this occurs, the weapon/spell will always say what direction the target is thrown (normally "directly away") and how far it is thrown (normally "d6 inches").

So, the main differences between this type of Throw and a "Power Attack Throw" that players get tripped up on are:

  • You can throw larger based models.
  • The throw distance has no correlation to your STR.
  • This type of throw is not a Power Attack, so won't benefit from anything that specifically boosts Power Attacks (such as Borka1's feat).

Being Thrown

Finally, we get to the interesting part! Now we need to move the thrown model, work out whether any other models are hit by the thrown model, and apply damage appropriately.

How to move a "thrown" model

  1. Move the thrown model directly towards the final 'Point of Impact', as determined above.
    • The throw movement is not slowed down by rough terrain.
    • The thrown model suffers damaging effects of hazards it enters and/or passes through (such as acid clouds).
  2. You stop moving the thrown model if it contacts an obstruction, or a model that is equal- or larger-based.
    • The thrown model goes straight "over" obstacles and models with a smaller base size.
  3. If it's final position is on top of another model or an obstacle, use the Rule of Least Disturbance to jiggle the models into legal positions. All those models count as being contacted by the thrown model.

Damage (etc) on the "thrown" model

  1. After the throw movement, the thrown model is knocked down.
    • If it can't be knocked down, but activates later on the same turn (ie it was thrown by a friendly model) then it must forfeit either movement or action.
    • If, after the throw movement, it gains immunity to knockdown then it won't be knocked down. For instance it was thrown into a No Sleeping on the Job aura, or into B2B with a Defensive Line model.
  2. The thrown model suffers a damage roll equal to:
    • Throw (Power Attack) : POW is equal to the attacker's current STR.
    • Throw (Other) : POW is as per the weapon/spell's text description.
    • Add 1d6 if the model was stopped by an obstruction or a model with an equal- or larger-base size. (Also known as "Contact damage").
    • Throw damage is boostable.
  3. If the model is thrown off the edge of terrain and falls 1" or more, it suffers a second damage roll, fall damage, with a POW = 12 +2d6 (+1d6 for every 2" it falls, excluding the first 2").
    • If the thrown-and-falling model contacts an equal- or smaller-based model, then they take fall damage too (as well as the Collateral damage they're already taking).
    • If the thrown-and-falling model contacts a larger-based model, the larger model is unaffected.

Damage (etc) on the "contacted" model(s)

Contacted models suffer "Collateral" damage. This depends on their base size relative to the thrown model:

  1. For contacted models with a smaller base size, which the thrown model landed "on":
    • Their position is jiggled as per the Rule of Least Disturbance.
    • They are knocked down.
    • They suffer a Collateral damage roll with a POW equal to:
      • Throw (Power Attack) : POW is equal to the attacker's current STR.
      • Throw (Other) : POW is as per the weapon/spell's text description.
      • Collateral damage is 'not boostable.
  2. For contacted models with an equal base size, which the thrown model stopped when it contacted:
    • They are knocked down
    • They suffer a Collateral damage roll as above.
  3. For contacted models with a larger base size, which the thrown model stopped when it contacted:
    • They don't suffer anything.

Collateral damage is simultaneous with the thrown model's damage. Also, collateral damage is not considered to be from an enemy attack and will not trigger stuff like Vengeance.

Other

When should I use a Throw?

Throwing is a moderately useful power attack. Good times to use it are:

  • Throws are very useful for setting models up for the kill, as the thrown model is knocked down and become easy targets for a turn.
    • In case of a non-aimed throw you can calculate the distance based on your STR, which is a nice tool for helping assassinations.
  • Aimed Throws are great for knocking down other models and setting them up for a kill. Use model "A" to throw "B" at "C", then proceed to kill "C".
  • They're a great way of getting yourself out of melee combat with something that you can't hurt.
  • They're a decent way of clearing a scenario zone.
  • There are a couple of abilities and spells (Fortify, Magnetic Field, etc.) which counters pushes and slams - but there are much fewer that restricts throws.

Drawbacks:

  • Throw requires a strength check that you cannot boost or modify in any way. That's an extra step where your power attack may fail altogether.
    • Even if the target has 2 fists and both are crippled, it still rolls 2D6.
    • Even worse, knocked-down or stationary models can still resist your throws that way.
  • A Slam is better if you want to deal raw damage, as it has a better chance of hitting multiple models (whereas a thrown model will go sailing over their heads).
    • But slam moves are very constrained (you have to move directly at the target)
    • Also throws can be aimed (and slams can't) which is a plus in their favour.

Other tips:

  • Don't rely on getting any collateral damage unless you throw the model into a large, tight-packed group of enemies.
  • However, you should definitely throw the enemy at any nearby obstructions you can find (if you have the chance).
  • If both you and the other model are standing directly next to a large wall, throwing them into it is officially mean.

Rules Clarifications

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Rules Clarification: Throw

    • If a model is somehow thrown at itself (which can happen with Durst1's feat) it would not move, it would be knocked down, and it would take a standard power attack damage roll but it would not take an additional die for colliding with itself. (Infernal Ruling)
    • Because you move the target model between the attack roll and the damage roll, you can get different buffs applied to the two rolls. For instance, if you throw the target in or out of a Flanking model's melee range.
  • Incorporeal vs Slammed/Thrown models ( Edit )
    • Incorporeal models cannot be moved by someone trying to slam them.
    • Slammed models can move through Incorporeal models.
      • If they have enough movement to get past them, no dramas.
      • If they land on them, you move the Incorporeal model out of the way as per the Rule of Least Disturbance.
      • If the Incorporeal model cannot be moved (i.e. it's a flag) then you move the slammed model out of the way, also by the rule of Least Disturbance.
      • For the purposes of Collateral Damage, only the model(s) you contacted before you applied the rule of Least Disturbance count as contacted.
    • The same logic applies to Throws.
  • Collateral Damage
    • Collateral damage cannot be boosted and is not considered damage from an attack or model. Refer page 33 of the 2021.08 version of the rules pdf. As a result:
      • It doesn't trigger stuff that relies on being hit by an enemy (such as Shock Field) or damaged by an enemy (such as Vengeance).
      • It doesn't get bonus damage from stuff that adds to a model's damage roll (such as Signs & Portents or Prey).
      • It doesn't matter if the attacker has crippled weapon systems or aspects.
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Rules Clarification : Open Fist  (aka, Power Attack Throw)     (Edit)

  • Throw ( Edit )
    • See also the Throw article for a recap of the core Throw rules.
    • If a model is somehow thrown at itself (which can happen with Durst1's feat) it would not move, it would be knocked down, and it would take a standard power attack damage roll but it would not take an additional die for colliding with itself. (Infernal Ruling)
    • Because you move the target model between the attack roll and the damage roll, you can get different buffs applied to the two rolls. For instance, if you throw the target in or out of a Flanking model's melee range.
  • Incorporeal vs Slammed/Thrown models ( Edit )
    • Incorporeal models cannot be moved by someone trying to slam them.
    • Slammed models can move through Incorporeal models.
      • If they have enough movement to get past them, no dramas.
      • If they land on them, you move the Incorporeal model out of the way as per the Rule of Least Disturbance.
      • If the Incorporeal model cannot be moved (i.e. it's a flag) then you move the slammed model out of the way, also by the rule of Least Disturbance.
      • For the purposes of Collateral Damage, only the model(s) you contacted before you applied the rule of Least Disturbance count as contacted.
    • The same logic applies to Throws.
  • Collateral Damage
    • Collateral damage cannot be boosted and is not considered damage from an attack or model. Refer page 33 of the 2021.08 version of the rules pdf. As a result:
      • It doesn't trigger stuff that relies on being hit by an enemy (such as Shock Field) or damaged by an enemy (such as Vengeance).
      • It doesn't get bonus damage from stuff that adds to a model's damage roll (such as Signs & Portents or Prey).
      • It doesn't matter if the attacker has crippled weapon systems or aspects.
  • Throw - Power Attack
    • When you make a Throw Power Attack, no other abilities of the Fist weapon (such as Chain Strike) are applied unless they specifically mention Throws. (Locked Thread)
    • If you do a Power Attack Throw and you choose to throw the target directly away, no deviation is rolled to determine the final position of the model. (Locked thread)
    • A model that cannot be targeted by melee attacks (such as Una2's feat) cannot have models thrown at them, either. (Infernal Ruling)
    • Since throwing Model [A] at Model [B] involves making a melee attack roll vs Model [B] which is out of your melee range, it technically breaks a whole bunch of core rules. (Infernal Checking)
    • Even though you make a "melee attack roll" vs Model [B] you don't actually make a melee attack vs it. Also, the damage it suffers is from Collateral damage, not from the original attack. So you can't trigger stuff like Snacking from damage you did to Model B.