Mixed
How usable this model is in Mk IV depends on the Faction:
- Cryx: This model can be used in one Prime army, Dark Host.
- Khador: This model can only be used in Unlimited Khador.
You can view the Mk3 models that made it into a Legacy Army at this page.
Note that the rest of this page is about the model's Mark III rules.
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No one is sure how or why Ol' Grim exists. Pistol wraiths have long been a known threat from the old Nightmare Empire of Cryx, but a "rifle wraith," which Ol' Grim appears to be, shouldn't even be possible. Yet despite this, he exists. Ol' Grim seems to have been a widowmaker in life, if his incorporeal visage is any indication. This fact causes even more perplexities with regards to his origins.
All that the scavengers of the wastes know is that Ol' Grim is a downright lethal nuisance. He appears without warning in the distance, shoots a few times at anything alive in his sights, then fades away into the ether. Certain scavenger crew bosses claim to know ways to lure Ol' Grim to their side temporarily using old mementos and forbidden rituals, but none are willing to share their secrets just yet.
Basic Info
| Ol' Grim |
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Understanding
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Riot Quest - Although this model has rules which allow it to be played in Warmachine and Hordes, it was primarily designed for the Riot Quest boardgame. RQ is set in an alternate and/or future timeline where the Infernals won the war. Some of the RQ models are slightly more goofy than their WMH equivalents.
Abilities
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Gunfighter
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Incorporeal
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Undead
- Apparition - During your Control Phase, place this model anywhere completely within 2" of its current location.
- Marksman - When this model damages a warjack or warbeast with a ranged attack, choose which column or branch suffers the damage.
- Sniper - Instead of making a damage roll to resolve a ranged attack, this model can inflict 1 point of damage. A model disabled by a ranged attack made by this model cannot make a Tough roll.
- Soul Taker: Body Count - This model can gain soul tokens. When this model destroys a living enemy model with an attack, this model gains the destroyed model's soul token. This model can have up to three soul tokens at any time. This model can spend soul tokens for the following:
- Dark Blessing - Once per turn at any time during its activation, this model can spend spend one soul token to gain +3 DEF for one round.
Weapons
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Theme Forces
Thoughts on Ol' Grim
Ol' Grim in a nutshell
He's a ranged combat solo. In an ideal setup he plinks a random single wound model and scoops up its soul, then uses that soul to trigger Wraith Shot on his 2nd attack to blast something worthwhile. If he kills that second target, he can then use Dark Blessing to keep himself safer while corporeal.
Alternatively he collects two souls turn one and then uses them to threaten the enemy caster with two fully boosted wraith shots that ignore intervening models and LOS turn two.
In a more realistic setup, there are too many soul-denial abilities and he just sits back, plinks two dudes each turn, and gets zero souls. Even without souls a RAT 8, RNG 14", ROF 2, POW 12 gun is nothing to sneeze at - him getting souls is just a bonus.
Essentially he's an incorporeal sniper:
- Cryx has heaps of incorporeal, but no proper snipers, so they like the shooting aspect.
- Khador has heaps of snipers, but no incorporeal, so they like the spooky aspect.
Combos & Synergies
Khador
- The Widowmaker Marksman grants him Swift Hunter.
- Butcher1 adds an additional die to his damage rolls on feat turn.
- Vladimir1 has Signs and Portends for him.
- Kommander Oleg Strakhov - Sentry allows him to earn a soul then become Incorporeal again when he activates.
- Irusk2 can put Fire For Effect on him to help him get going, then cycle it to another target once he has a soul or two.
- Old Witch2 Windstorm protects the entire army but with such a long range gun he can hang back after shooting and force the enemy to come to him.
Cryx
- Deneghra3 loves soul colelcting models. Poltergeist can skew his DEF immensely with Dark Blessing and Mortality is great with a POW 12 gun.
- Skarre2 and Rahera offer Black Spot for even more shooting!
Drawbacks & Downsides
- His points cost is his main drawback. If he were 5 points he'd just about be an auto-include as a Requisition option, but at 6 points he needs to justify his inclusion - and often he doesn't quite make the grade.
- He needs to be the closest eligible Soul Taker to get the soul, which is awkward for a long ranged sniper.
- Many Archons shut down long-range soul collection.
- He doesn't ignore Stealth (the most common anti-shooting tech) even when using Wraith Shot.
- In Cryx he competes somewhat with the Hellslinger Phantom for the role of "elite Incorporeal ranged-combat solo with 2 shots per turn"; and you don't normally want to take both.
- If you want a model that stays safer over multiple turns, use Hellslinger (Ghost Shot from behind LOS-blocking terrain).
- If you want a model that reaches out and touches something a long way away, take Ol' Grim (22" threat range on his gun).
Tricks & Tips
- He is NOT a mercenary, he can only be played in Khador or Cryx (or Hearts of Darkness)
- Don't run him too far forward turn 1. Between Apparition and a 14" gun, he has no need to stick his neck out.
Other
Trivia
Other Faction models
Rules Clarifications
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Rules Clarification: : Gunfighter (Edit)
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General
- You cannot Aim if you start your activation in melee. (Infernal Confirmation)
- A free strike with a ranged weapon still gets the +2 to hit and boosted damage (I'm pretty sure - I'd like to double check it though).
- If you have a Gunfighter stuck in melee and the Gunfighter wants to shoot a friendly model, then you can only do so if that friendly is within the Gunfighter's melee range. Also, if that friendly model is engaged by an enemy, that friendly model will always get the +4 DEF bonus (because the point of origin of the attack, the Gunfighter, is not "in melee" with the friendly model).
Targeting
- Outside of melee
- If the Gunfighter isn't in melee, and didn't charge this turn, then it shoots just the same as a normal model.
- In melee, but didn't charge
- If it didn't charge, it can target anyone it's "in melee" with.
- This can be any model in the Gunfighter's melee range, plus any models that have the Gunfighter in their melee range.
- If a Gunfighter kills all the enemies it is in melee with, and still has the ability to make more ranged attacks, then those attacks just follow the normal Ranged Attack rules. (Infernal Ruling)
- Charged into melee
- If it did charge, its initial attacks can only target models that are in the Gunfighter's melee range.
- If all models in the Gunfighter's melee range are killed before it makes its initial attacks, it loses any unspent initial attacks. (Infernal Ruling)
- However if it can purchase additional attacks (via Reload for instance) and/or get free attacks (via Black Spot for instance), then those non-initial attacks can target anyone it's "in melee" with, as per #2 above.
- Other targeting notes
- Remember, you can never be "in melee" with a friendly model, so a Gunfighter can pretty much never choose to target a friend while it's in melee.
- If the gunfighter is unengaged, it can still shoot a friendly model, which would just be a normal ranged attack.
- Gunfighter doesn't change the RNG of your gun, it just provides you an ability to use it while in melee and imposes some targeting restrictions.
- If you're affected by a debuff that reduces your RNG to 1", that will further limit who you can target.
- If you're affected by a debuff that reduces your RNG to 0", you cannot make attacks (refer 'Weapon Statistics', page 19 of rulebook).
Attack Roll
- You use the Gunfighter's RAT for the attack roll.
- Gunfighters do not ignore the Cover/Concealment bonus. (Infernal Ruling)
- How the +4 DEF bonus for "being in melee" works with Gunfighters is:
- they always ignore it vs enemies, because the "point of origin of the attack is in melee with the target".
- they never ignore it vs friendlies, because you cannot be in melee with a friendly target.
Incorporeal Gunfighters
- Note that enemy models without magic weapons can't hurt you in melee, but they can engage you.
- If they engage you then you're in melee and your target selection is limited to just models in melee (as explained above).
Gunfighter + an AOE weapon
- If you miss then the AOE will deviate as per the normal AOE rules. Not very far, though, considering the max distance you'll be apart is 2".
- If you use an AOE weapon to make a free strike, you get the +2 to hit and you get boosted damage against everything under the blast template.
Gunfighter + a spray weapon
- Who you can target with the spray is limited as described above, but you get to put the whole spray template down and potentially hit models well outside the melee.
- If you use a spray weapon to make a free strike, you get the +2 to hit and you get boosted damage against everything under the spray template.
Units of Gunfighters
- If a unit of Gunfighters successfully charge, but someone else in their unit kills their charge target before they get a turn to attack, then they may redirect their attack.
- Redirected attack:
- If they're still engaged, their initial attack (s) must be vs someone in their melee range.
- If they're still engaged, but no one is in their own melee range, they don't get any initial attacks.
- If they're unengaged, they are now free to shoot anyone within the gun's normal range.
Other interactions
- Gunfighter vs Point Blank (Edit)
- If a model has both Gunfighter and Point Blank, then you should declare whether you're using it as a ranged attack or melee attack whenever you shoot the gun. Because that can limit what other initial/additional attacks you can make. (Infernal Ruling)
- These two abilities are subtly different, but it's an important difference.
- Gunfighter allows you to make ranged attacks while in melee.
- Point blank allows you to make melee attacks with your ranged weapon.
- Since you can't make both ranged and melee attacks in the same turn, a Gunfighter model has a choice of either initial melee attack(s) or initial ranged attack(s). (unless it has Virtuoso or something).
- Whereas a Point Blank model chooses to make initial melee attacks, and then gets to make attacks with both weapons.
- Furthermore, the types of bonuses, penalties, and special effects you (or your opponent) can trigger will change dramatically:
- Any buffs/triggers on ranged attacks (such as Evasive, Shield Guard, Deadeye, etc) will affect Gunfighter attacks, but not Point Blank attacks.
- Any buffs/triggers on melee attacks (such as Battle Lust, Riposte etc) will affect Point Blank attacks, but not Gunfighter attacks.
- Gunfighter & Cavalry ( Edit )
- A cavalry model that charges then makes a Gunfighter attack will not gain a boosted charge attack roll, because a ranged attack is not a charge attack. (Infernal Ruling)
- You also won't gain a boosted charge damage roll, as per normal for a Gunfighter.
- Gunfighter vs RNG modifiers (Edit)
- Unlike what most people might tell you, Gunfighter doesn't have a "range", it just lets the model make ranged attacks while in melee. The gun's actual RNG is unaffected though, until you put something like Windstorm (-5 RNG) on it. Then what happens is:
- If the gun is RNG 7, Windstorm will reduce it to 2". Thus it won't affect any Gunfighter attacks.
- If the gun is RNG 6, Windstorm will reduce it to 1". Thus you can only make Gunfighter attacks vs models within 1" (if you can - charging Gunfighters may be more limited).
- If the gun is RNG 5, Windstorm will reduce it to 0". Thus you can't make any attacks as per 'Weapon Statistics' (page 19 of the core rulebook).
- (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification: : Incorporeal (Edit)
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Damage & Debuffs
- All spells do magical damage. Refer to the latest errata.
- If a weapon or spell does multiple types of damage (such as Chain Lightning doing Electricity damage), then you'll still be hurt by the spell. "Incorporeal" is not the same as "has immunity to all damage types". (Infernal Ruling)
- "Mundane" weapons can still apply debuffs to Incorporeal models, even though they can't damage them. For instance, an Ironclad could hit an Incorporeal model with a Tremor Attack and knock the incorporeal model down; Small-based Incorporeal models can be Consumeed, etc. (Infernal Ruling)
Incorporeal models moving
- If an incorporeal model declares a charge, then they stay incorporeal until they actually make an attack. So, for example:
- If they're Countercharged after finishing their own charge movement, they will be Incorporeal while resolving the Countercharge attack.
- If they fail the charge, they will stay Incorporeal.
- Entering hazards: "Enters or ends its activation" can only be triggered once each turn.
- If the Incorporeal model begins its activation outside the hazard, moves into the hazard and loses Incorporeal, it would not take any damage from ending its activation in the hazard.
- If the Incorporeal model begins its activation inside the hazard, stays inside the hazard, and loses Incorporeal, it would take damage from ending its activation in the hazard.
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- Charging through models (Edit)
- You can't charge all the way through your charge target, with the intention to turn around and face them once you're on the other side.
- Because you aren't able to satisfy the "must keep the charge target in melee range" clause at the point after you are through the model but before you turn to directly face. At that point the target is behind you, not in your front arc, and thus not in your melee range.
- Your melee range only extends to your front arc. Refer to the latest errata.
- You can still "skim" through the edge of their base, if you're careful and smart with your positioning.
Moving through an Incorporeal model
- A model that is pushed into an Incorporeal model will go all the way through, only if the push is large enough to get all the through. If the push is too short, the moving model will "bounce back" to where they first started overlapping the incorporeal model. (Infernal Ruling)
- The core rules that allows models to be pushed through the Incorporeal model will override any ability/spell that uses the phrase "is pushed until it contacts a model" (such as Grip, Drag, and Catch). (Infernal Ruling)
- Incorporeal vs Slammed/Thrown models ( Edit )
- Incorporeal models cannot be moved by someone trying to slam them.
- Slammed models can move through Incorporeal models.
- If they have enough movement to get past them, no dramas.
- If they land on them, you move the Incorporeal model out of the way as per the Rule of Least Disturbance.
- If the Incorporeal model cannot be moved (i.e. it's a flag) then you move the slammed model out of the way, also by the rule of Least Disturbance.
- For the purposes of Collateral Damage, only the model(s) you contacted before you applied the rule of Least Disturbance count as contacted.
- The same logic applies to Throws.
Other
- Incorporeal models can engage enemy models. They can't make free strikes or bodyblock enemies, but they do prevent enemy models making ranged attacks, and everyone gets the 'Target in Melee' bonus.
- If you push a model to a position where it regains Incorporeal (for instance you push it out of range of an Exorcist) then what happens is (Being Checked by Infernals)
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Rules Clarification : Undead - None yet. (Edit)
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Rules Clarification : Apparition (Edit)
- Apparition is an "Other" Control Phase effect, so it happens at Step 7 of the Control Phase.
- It happens after paying for upkeeps, Power Up, etc
- If you have another "Other" Control Phase effect, you get to choose the order to resolve them.
- If a model is B2B with you when you use Apparition then they will be exactly 2" away afterwards. So you'll still be in the melee range of anything with RNG 2 or higher.
- Unit members must always be placed in formation. Refer to the "Placed" section of the core rulebook.
- If a trooper can't be placed in formation (because it's more than 2" out of formation to begin with) then it can't be placed at all.
- The unit commander is always "In Formation" by definition, so can be placed where it likes.
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Rules Clarification : Marksman and/or Precision Strike (Edit)
- These abilities do not get around Retribution Force Fields. The attacker's ability assigns it to a column, and Force Field reassigns it.
- Versus a Colossal or Gargantuan, you don't get to choose which grid is damaged. That is still governed by which Firing Arc the attacker is standing in.
- Attacker chooses column vs Defender chooses column (Edit)
- When both the attacker and defender have an ability that lets them choose the column that gets damaged, the attacker gets to choose. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Sniper (Edit)
- If you choose to do 1 point of damage, this is still considered to be damage "from an attack" for the purposes of Vengeance etc. (Locked thread)
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Rules Clarification : Body Count (Edit)
- This model only gets the soul if it's the closest eligible model. Body Count doesn't have the "regardless of proximity of other models" wording like Dark Fire does.
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Rules Clarification : Dark Blessing - None yet. (Edit)
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Rules Clarification: : Magical Damage (Edit)
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* The "Damage Type: Magical" is not inherited by "secondary" damage from a weapon. That is, stuff like arcs (Electro Leap) or hazards (Scather). (Infernal Ruling)
- All spells have "Damage Type: Magical" (refer errata).
- This is inherited by "immediate" secondary damage (such as Eruption of Spines). (Infernal Ruling)
- and might be inherited by "lingering" secondary damage (see below).
- If a spell leaves a template in play that does damage to models that walk around in it, then:
- if it is not described as a hazard it will do magical damage to models that walk around in it. (Example: Razor Wall)
- if it is a hazard then it will not do magical damage to models that walk around in it. Instead, it does whatever damage type is specified by the spell description. (Example: Breath of Corruption).
- (Infernal Ruling)
- If a weapon/spell includes Magic Damage and another kind of elemental damage it will still damage Incorporeal models. Incorporeal models are not affected by the rule "if an attack does multiple types of damage and a model is immune to at least one it is immune to the entire attack."
The phrase "immune to non-magical damage" should be interpreted as "immune to damage that doesn't include Damage Type: Magical" (not interpreted as "has immunity to Corrosion and Electricity and Cold and etc.")
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