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Infernal Logo.jpg Agathon, The Voice in the Darkness

Infernal Master

The entity called Agathon has been transacting insidious arrangements with humans of western Immoren for centuries. Countless talented but impatient and greedy arcanists have been twisted to serve the Nonokrion Order as infernalists through the far-reaching schemes of Agathon. Though a creature of subtle power, will, and persuasion, Agathon is also a fierce battle master who takes delight in rendering lesser beings powerless and reminding them of their mortality. What those beings call magic is simple thought to Agathon, as reality bends and reshapes at a whim.

Basic Info

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Warcaster 0
BASE Large
SPD 6
STR 6
MAT 6
RAT N/A
M.A. N/A
DEF 14
ARM 15
CMD 12
ESSENCE 9
FOCUS N/A
FURY N/A
THRS N/A
HP 17
F. Field N/A
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WBP {{{wbp}}}
IHP +28
UNIT SIZE N/A
COST N/A
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FA N/A
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Warcaster 1
BASE N/A
SPD N/A
STR N/A
MAT N/A
RAT N/A
DEF N/A
ARM N/A
CMD N/A
FOCUS N/A
FURY N/A
THRS N/A
HP N/A
WJP N/A
WBP N/A
UNIT SIZE N/A
COST N/A
FA N/A
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Understanding
the Statblock

Abilities

  • Infernal Master - This model is the Infernal equivalent of a warcaster or warlock. They have a number of unique rules (which you can read here), but fulfil the same role; namely, being really awesome at everything.
  • Eyeless Sight symbol.jpg Eyeless Sight
  • Pathfinder symbol.jpg Pathfinder
  • Revelations of the Outer Darkness - Once per turn, when a friendly Infernal non-soulless warrior model in Agathon's command range is destroyed by an enemy attack, immediately after the attack is resolved Agathon can cast a spell without spending essence.
  • Soul Taker: Cull Soul - This model can gain soul tokens. When a living enemy model is destroyed within 2" of this model, this model gains the destroyed model's soul token. After this model replenishes its essence during your next Control Phase, replace each soul token with 1 essence point.

Weapons

  • Pain Touch (x2) - 1" reach, melee attack with no damage roll.
    • Magical dam symbol.jpg Damage Type: Magical
    • Dark Banishment - When this model hits an enemy model with this weapon during its activation, after the attack is resolved you can place the enemy model anywhere completely within d6 + 3" of its current location. A model can be placed by Dark Banishment only once per turn.
    • Needle - Instead of suffering a damage roll, a living model hit by this weapon automatically suffers 1 damage point. This weapon cannot damage non-living models.

Spells

COST RNG AOE POW DUR OFF


Censure

2 SELF Control - - -
Enemy upkeep spells in the spellcaster's control range immediately expire, but a caster can keep them in play by suffering d3 damage per spell, of which cannot be transferred or reduced by focus. The spellcaster can remove 1 damage point per damage suffered. Can only be cast once per activation.
Curse of Shadows

3 8 - - Upkeep Yes
Target model/unit suffers -2 ARM and cannot make free strikes. A model can advance through an affected model if it has enough movement to move completely past its base.
Dark Fire

2 10 - 12 - Yes
If this spell destroys a living enemy model then the caster gets the soul token regardless of the proximity of other Soul Takers.
Dark Seduction

3 8 - - - Yes
Take control of target enemy non-warcaster, non-warlock warrior model. You can immediately make a full advance with that enemy model followed by a basic attack, then Dark Seduction expires. The enemy model cannot be targeted by free stricks during this movement. Dark Seduction can be cast only once per activation. A model can be affected by Dark Seduction only once per turn.
Hellmouth

4 8 (★) 12 - Yes
If this spell misses, nothing happens. If it hits, before making the damage roll, push models within 3" of the model hit 3" directly toward it in the order you choose. Then center a 3" AOE on the model hit. Models hit suffer a POW 12 damage roll. Models boxed by Hellmouth are RFP'd.
Teleport

2 SELF - - - -
Place the spellcaster anywhere completely within 6" of its current location, then its activation ends.
Tether

2 6 - - Upkeep -
Immediately after the spellcaster ends its Normal Movement, target horror in its battlegroup can advance up to 3" directly towards it.

Feat - Well of Sorrow

  1. When an enemy model casts a spell while in Agathon’s control range, increase the COST of the spell by 1.
  2. Additionally, while in Agathon’s control range, models gain one additional die on their magic attack rolls and magic attack damage rolls. For each of those rolls, you choose one of the dice rolled to be discarded.

Well of Sorrow lasts for one round.

Theme Forces

Thoughts on Agathon, The Voice in the Darkness

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New model - This article is a Work In Progress
This model has only recently been released, and the content in the "Thoughts On" section is based more on theory-machine than actual gameplay experience.

Please don't delete this warning unless you (1) have played several games with the final rules (games with CID rules don't count) and (2) you've reviewed this article and it mostly(★) matches your experiences.

(★) Bearing in mind that other editors may make suggestions you don't think are the "best" but that doesn't make them "wrong". Don't delete stuff just because you disagree with it, please.
See also Category: Recent Release and Category: Recent Change.

Agathon, The Voice in the Darkness in a Nutshell

Agathon is a being of pure arcane might. It features an extremely high Essence stat (9!) and a large selection of potent spells. Agathon's gameplay should revolve around summoning and spell-slinging. As the highest Essence Master, Agathon should be able to reliably summon a Horror each turn if necessity dictates, while still slinging a spell or two (or camping Essence for defensive purposes). Agathon has a large toolbox of spells, featuring a "spell for every situation," kind of. Dark Fire provides a decent nuke with Soul Collecting capabilities. Hex Blast is... a good spell! Influence can punish enemy infantry formations. Curse of Shadows can help with enemy armor. Hellbound and Teleport give Agathon some defensive options.

Additionally, Agathon has some features that punish puny mortals for trying to kill off its supply of Marked Souls in Revelations of the Outer Darkness which lets it throw out a spell for free after one of them gets destroyed in its command range. Considering if killing off a few cultist is worth taking a free Hellmouth to the face.

Agathon has, in my mind, the weakest Soul Collection abilities, which is offset by it's extremely high Essence.

As for a feat, Agathon's is extremely potent. Removing all the damage on it's Horrors and then fueling ALL friendly Horrors can really reduce the strain of maintaining your battlegroup.

In concept, Agathon should feature a broad toolbox of spells that should give it something to do every turn. Agathon should be making turn-by-turn decisions of summoning and fueling it's Horrors or going on a spell-slinging rampage, and on it's feat turn it should be able to do both. However, Agathon is defensively weak, and should be easily taken down if your opponent can scalpel out it's defensive options.

Spell thoughts

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Feat thoughts

Well of Sorrow increases the cost of spells cast in its control range. Agathon doesn't have to play as forward as most would in order to catch the opposing caster in it's feat due to its very large control range. The feat also increases the effectiveness of magic attacks, something Agathon is really good at, and also all Horrors have the Magical attack type on their weapons .

Drawbacks & Downsides

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Tricks & Tips

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List Building Advice

Strategy

Its main method of winning is ...Placeholder
For example: "using her feat turn to get a melee/ranged/spell assassination" "attrition then win on scenario" "board control then win on scenario" "sending a jack in, to beat the enemy warcaster's face into pulp" "etc"

Army

Stuff it likes to take to help achieve this strategy is ... Placeholder

Other

Trivia

  • Released with the Faction launch (2019.06)

Other Infernal models

Infernal Logo.jpg       Infernal Index       (Edit)
Unique Rules : Masters, Horrors, Essence, & Summoning
Infernal Masters Agathon - Omodamos - Zaateroth
Attachment Lord Roget d'Vyaros Master Infernalist Princess Regna
Lesser Foreboder Light Lamenter - Shrieker Heavy Desolator - Soul Stalker - Tormentor
Units, Solos, & Structures
Structures Infernal Gate
Solos

Alain Runewood, Lord of Ash - Eilish1 - Eilish2 - Great Princess Regna Gravnoy (Master Infernalist) - Hermit of Henge Hold - Lord Roget d'Vyaros - Nicia, Hound of the Abyss - Orin1 - Saxon Orrik - The Wretch - Umbral Guardian - Valin Hauke, The Fallen Knight

Units

Croe's Cutthroats - Cultist Band - Griever Swarm - Howlers

Theme Forces Mercenaries
Dark Legacy - Hearts of Darkness J.A.I.M.s
This index was last updated: 2019.06

Rules Clarifications

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Rules Clarification : Feat : Well of Sorrow


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Rules Clarification : Infernal Master     (Edit)

  • General
    • ESSENCE or ESS (uppercase) is the stat printed on the model's card. Essence (lowercase) refers to how many essence points a model currently has.
    • Your CTRL area is double your ESSENCE stat, not double your essence points. (Infernal Ruling)
    • Casting spells or using feats is an anytime ability (see below), but with the extra restriction that you can't use them on the same turn you run even before you run.
  • Replenishing Essence
    • Can vs Must: Replenishing is optional (it uses the word can) and the model chooses either Sacrificing or Leeching, as per the Essence manipulation rule. If it chooses Sacrifice, it must sacrifice a model.
    • The "sacrifice a non-soulless model" technically means any model lacking the soulless icon, so you could sacrifice a warjack etc. However there is a temporary TO Ruling saying you can only sacrifice models that produce a soul token when they are destroyed. (Tournament Organiser Ruling)
  • Transferring Damage
    • If both the master and the horror are damaged by the same attack (such as an AOE), then you need to apply the 'normal' damage to the horror before the transferred damage. This distinction can be important when you're working out who/what actually destroyed the horror. (Infernal Ruling)
    • If there is too much damage for the warbeast and it "overlaps" back to the warlock, then that damage is considered ... unsure at this time. (Infernal Checking)
  • Restrictions on "Any Time" abilities     (Edit)         [Show/Hide]
    • "Any Time" abilities can be used at any time during a model/unit's activation, except:
    1. Before any compulsory forfeiture of movement/action. See step 2 of the activation sequence, appendix A.
    2. After the model with the "Any Time" ability has had their activation end "prematurely". By this I mean you resolved something which includes the phrase "its activation ends". Examples include:
      • Running, failing a charge, or failing a slam.
      • Abilities that include "then its activation ends" (such as Reposition and Teleport).
    3. In between declaring your charge target and making your charge movement. (Infernal Ruling)
    4. In between completing your charge movement and determining whether it was a successful charge. (Infernal Ruling)
    5. When you're in the middle of moving. (Note: Impact Attacks count as being in the middle of movement).
    6. When you're in the middle of an attack. Which also includes effects that occur "after the attack is resolved".
      (Although the attack is "resolved" at Step 11, in terms of using an "Any Time" ability the attack is not "finished" until after Step 14. Refer to the first paragraph of Apdx A.)
    7. Your opponent interrupted your activation to trigger one of their own abilities (such as Countercharge).
    8. Units: See below.

    • In general you can use "Any Time" abilities while you're knocked down or stationary (except Spells and Feats which specify you can't).
    • If you have a gun with a random ROF, you can use an "Any Time" ability inbetween rolling the number of shots and actually making the first attack. (Infernal Ruling)

    Units with "Any Time" abilities
    • You cannot use an "Any Time" ability before issuing/receiving orders. See step 1 and 2 of the activation sequence, appendix A.
    • A model in a unit can't use an "Any Time" ability if they run, fail a charge, or use an ability like Reposition.
      Because doing one of those things makes that specific model's activation to end (even if the unit's activation is still ongoing) and you can't use abilities on models that are not active.
    • So, for example:
      • You cannot use a minifeat after the Officer runs. (Infernal Ruling)
      • You cannot use a minifeat after anyone in the unit has begun a Reposition move. (Infernal Ruling)

Rules Clarification : Inscrutable - None yet. (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Eyeless Sight     (Edit)

  • A model that ignores Stealth must ignore both aspects: both (1) the auto-missing, and (2) the 'not counting as an intervening model' parts.
    • This can have some strange interactions with casters & channelers, if one has Eyeless Sight and one does not. There are examples on the Category:Channeler page.
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Rules Clarification : Pathfinder     (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Revelations of the Outer Darkness     (Edit)

  • RotOD can be used to cast spells that are limited to "once per activation" (ie Censure) because RotOD occurs outside of activation.

Rules Clarification : Cull Soul - None yet. (Edit)


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Rules Clarification:  : Magical Damage      (Edit)
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* The "Damage Type: Magical" is not inherited by "secondary" damage from a weapon. That is, stuff like arcs (Electro Leap) or hazards (Scather). (Infernal Ruling)
  • All spells have "Damage Type: Magical" (refer errata).
    • This is inherited by "immediate" secondary damage (such as Eruption of Spines). (Infernal Ruling)
    • and might be inherited by "lingering" secondary damage (see below).
  • If a spell leaves a template in play that does damage to models that walk around in it, then:
    • if it is not described as a hazard it will do magical damage to models that walk around in it. (Example: Razor Wall)
    • if it is a hazard then it will not do magical damage to models that walk around in it. Instead, it does whatever damage type is specified by the spell description. (Example: Breath of Corruption).
    • (Infernal Ruling)
  • If a weapon/spell includes Magic Damage and another kind of elemental damage it will still damage Incorporeal models. Incorporeal models are not affected by the rule "if an attack does multiple types of damage and a model is immune to at least one it is immune to the entire attack."
    The phrase "immune to non-magical damage" should be interpreted as "immune to damage that doesn't include Damage Type: Magical" (not interpreted as "has immunity to Corrosion and Electricity and Cold and etc.")
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Rules Clarification : Dark Banishment     (Edit)

  • Although the "can place" is permissive you don't have the option to roll the distance for the place, see what the result is, then decide not to place the model (in order to hit it again and try for a better roll). You don't roll dice for abilities you aren't using. (Locked thread)
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Rules Clarification : Needle     (Edit)

  • Although it can't damage non-living models, the weapon can still hit them and thus let you apply on-hit effects (like Agathon's Dark Banishment).


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Rules Clarification : Censure     (Edit)

  • Anti-Upkeep vs a unit (Edit)
    • If an upkeep is on a unit, then all you need to do is make it expire off any member of the unit and the spell will expire from the entire unit.
    • It doesn't matter if the target is in formation or not. (Locked thread)
    • However, if an upkeep is on a single model within a unit (such as Scything Touch) then you need to dispel it off that particular model to make it dispel. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Curse of Shadows     (Edit)

  • There is no distinction in the spell between friendly and enemy; neither in the targeting restrictions or in the 'who can move through them' effect.
  • You can't move through affected models during involuntary movement (pushes & slams) because that's not an advance.
  • Charging through models (Edit)
    • You can't charge all the way through your charge target, with the intention to turn around and face them once you're on the other side.
      • Because you aren't able to satisfy the "must keep the charge target in melee range" clause at the point after you are through the model but before you turn to directly face. At that point the target is behind you, not in your front arc, and thus not in your melee range.
      • Your melee range only extends to your front arc. Refer to the latest errata.
    • You can still "skim" through the edge of their base, if you're careful and smart with your positioning.
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Rules Clarification : Dark Fire     (Edit)

  • "Regardless of proximity" soul takers (Edit)
    • The model which ignores distance doesn't always get the soul. Abilities which say you "can't" collect souls (such as Soul Ward) trump it, due to the general rule that "can't trumps can".
    • If there are multiple models that all have the "regardless of proximity" clause, then you randomise who the soul goes to. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Dark Seduction     (Edit)

Taking Control of an Enemy Model (Edit)   [Show/Hide]
  • General
  • Taking control of a model means it is now friendly to you, and will immediately be engaged by it's erstwhile allies.
    • This will limit your ability to make ranged attacks.
    • If you get to make an advance with the controlled model, this can allow the original owner to take free strikes against his own model. He doesn't have to take these, of course.
  • The controlled model does not have a proper Activation, so stuff like Chain Strike won't apply.
  • You can use abilities on the controlled model, as long as they're not restricted to "during its activation" or "during its Combat Action". For example, you can use Mental Force. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Buffs and effects:
    • The controlled model counts as a "friendly model" and will benefit from any buffs that your own models are handing out (such as Mark Target), (assuming the controlled model meets the criteria for the buff).
    • If your opponent is the same faction, then the controlled model will count as a "friendly faction model" and even more buffs are potentially available (such as Veteran Leader).
  • Theme abilities:
    • If a model gains an ability via a Theme Force rule, and then the opponent takes it over, it keeps the theme ability. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Movement
  • You can advance a model into an area and force them to take damage (like an acid cloud, or a Razor Wall template), but they only take damage once per advance (ref Prime rulebook pg 65). Thus you cannot keep moving them micro-millimetres in and out of said area to inflict infinite damage.
  • The model is friendly while under your control, so you can't force free strikes by walking it past your own models. You can, however, walk it past your opponent's models and politely ask if they want to take free strikes against their own model.
  • Melee Attacks
  • Models with the Gunfighter advantage can make attacks as they normally would if the ability controlling them allows for basic attacks (e.g., Influence). Note that other "take control" abilities only allow for melee attacks, such as Seduction and Bone Shaker (Gunfighter attacks are ranged attacks).
  • Point Blank attacks cannot be made with temporarily controlled models, as Point Blank is only allowed 'during activation.'
  • Controlled models do not receive back strike bonuses, because you can only get that bonus during your normal activation.
  • With reference to the attack sequence (appendix A) your control of the model doesn't expire until after Step 14. So you can potentially trigger abilities like Snacking (Step 11.4).
    • As long as it's not limited to "during combat action" or "during activation".
  • Destroying the Controlled model
    If the model is destroyed or RFP'd while under your control (for instance you walked it into a hazard), this has two consequences:
  1. It is considered to be under your control at the moment it is taken off the table:
    • Your opponent can't reave fury off a warbeast destroyed this way, because it is an enemy warbeast when it is taken off the table.
    • Your opponent can't trigger stuff that depends on a "Friendly model" being destroyed (such as Righteous Vengeance).
    • You can't trigger stuff that depends on an "Enemy model" being destroyed (such as Cull Soul).
  2. It returns to the original owner once it's off the table:
    • Your opponent can use Spirit Bond to get fury from the dead warbeast.
    • Your opponent can use Return To Play abilities to get it back on the table (assuming it wasn't RFP'd).
  • Taking control of an enemy Trooper (member of a unit)
  • A trooper you take control of becomes an independent model. Thus:
    • It will not benefit from any bonuses that it gets from its comrades (such as Gang, Shield Wall, etc).
    • It will not benefit from any bonuses that rely on the trooper being "in formation" (such as Granted and Tactics abilities).
    • Spells on a unit are considered to be on the "unit", not on the "models that make up the unit". So a controlled trooper will not benefit from any spells on the unit.
    • If you take control of the last survivor of a unit then the "unit" ceases to exist for the duration of the control. This means that any spells on the "unit" will expire. Woo, free dispel! (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Hellmouth     (Edit)

  • If this spell misses a target in melee, then you still re-roll vs a randomised other model before it truly "misses" and has no effect.
  • Basically, you apply all re-rolls before determining whether you have a hit or miss.
  • Push - General     (Edit)   [Show/Hide]
    • Pushed models do not change their facing.
    • Pushed models move at half rate through difficult terrain. Also, Pathfinder doesn't apply during pushes.
    • Pushed models stop if they contact anything - a model of any size, or any obstacles or obstructions.
    • You don't get free strikes against pushed models, because it is "involuntary movement" and therefore does not count as an advance.
    • Pushed models suffer the effects of anything they move through (such as acid clouds).
    • If you use a Push vs a charging model (via a free strike for example), this will stop the charge movement (refer core rulebook).
      • However, if the pushed model is in melee range of its charge target after the push, then it is considered a successful charge. (Infernal Ruling)
      • In that scenario, you measure whether the charging model moved 3" or less excluding the push distance. (Infernal Ruling)

Rules Clarification : Teleport - None yet. (Edit)
Rules Clarification : Leash and/or Tether - None yet. (Edit)