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Prime
This model is available in one Prime Army, Legions of Dawn. It can also be used in the Unlimited game mode. You can view the other Mk3 models that made it into a Legacy Army at this page.
Note that the rest of this page is about the model's Mark III rules.
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The Retribution of Scyrah has no greater champion than Vyros of House Nyarr. The leader of the Dawnguard rides to war astride his powerful warhorse Solarys, his hunting hawk circling overhead. Through her eyes he sees the battlefield unobstructed, allowing Vyros to direct his army rapidly to close gaps in the line or capture critical ground, ensuring he is never outmaneuvered in battle.
Basic Info
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Large |
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8 |
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7 |
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8 |
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6 |
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15 |
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18 |
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10 |
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Understanding
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Warcaster - All warcasters come with a stack of standard special rules - most notably being awesome. Click here for a newbie-friendly recap, or click here for the full rules.
Feat : Tide of War
When one or more friendly Faction models is destroyed or RFP'd by an enemy attack while in Vyros's control range at any time except while advancing, immediately after the attack is resolved a friendly Faction model in Vyros' control range can advance up to 3˝ and a friendly Faction warjack in his control range can gain 1 focus. Do not remove unspent focus from your warjacks. Tide of War lasts until the end of your next Maintenance Phase.
Abilities
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Cavalry
- Bird's Eye - While in this model's control range, models in its battlegroup ignore cloud effects, forest terrain, and intervening models when determining LOS.
- Quick Work - When this model destroys one or more enemy models with a melee attack during its Combat Action, immediately after the attack is resolved it can make one basic ranged attack.
- Reposition [3"] - At the end of an activation in which it did not run or fail a charge, this model can advance up to 3", then its activation ends.
- Veteran Leader [ Dawnguard ] - While in this model's command range, other friendly Dawnguard models gain +1 to attack rolls.
Weapons
- Extremus Cannon - 10" range, POW 12 ranged attack
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Damage Type: Magical
- Reload [1] - This model can spend 1 focus point to make one additional ranged attack with this weapon during its Combat Action.
- Extremus - 2" reach, P+S 14 melee attack
- Mount - 0.5" reach, POW 12 mount attack
Spells
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AOE
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POW
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Control
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| While in the spellcaster's control range, friendly Faction models gain +2 ARM against ranged and magic attacks. Deceleration lasts for one round.
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| Easy Rider
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Control
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| The spellcaster and friendly Faction models beginning their activation in its control range gain Pathfinder. Easy Rider lasts for one turn.
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| Lock the Target
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10
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(★)
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Yes
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| A model damaged by Lock the Target cannot run, charge, make slam power attacks, or be placed for one round.
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| Synergy
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SELF
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Control
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Upkeep
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No
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| While in the spellcaster's control range, models in this model's battlegroup gain a +1 cumulative bonus on melee attack and melee damage rolls for each other model in the battlegroup that hit an enemy model with a melee attack this turn while in the spellcaster's control range. This cumulative bonus cannot exceed +3.
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Theme Forces
Thoughts on Vyros2
Vyros2 in a nutshell
It seems Vyros got crankier and needed a horse so that he could fully realise his uppitiness. He scowled on foot... he shouts from horseback.
Vyros2 is a more focused battlegroup caster than Vyros1 thanks to Synergy, not needing warriors to be effective, but then, he is also more personified as the commander of the Dawnguard, and makes the elite Dawnguard even more elite if they're close by.
Feat thoughts
This feat punishes the enemy for killing your troops. It takes a dab hand to get the most out of it, as you need to balance losing troops vs gaining board position & focus, but it is a powerful feat once mastered.
You can move the same model more than once, so you can move warjacks or combat solos into positions where they threaten to assassinate next turn. You can also have the advantage of re-clogging enemy charge lanes; every time the enemy kills something to clear a charge lane, you move something back in to clog it again. Either way, the more troops that die the more focus your warjacks have to play with next turn. Also, note that the free focus does not have to go to Vyros' battlegroup.
To take full advantage of this feat, you want your army to include some sacrificial troops that you run into a position where the enemy can't ignore them nor get through them to your more valuable models. If the enemy chooses not to kill anything to avoid triggering your feat, then your 'sacrificial' troops will be in a good position next turn. If they kill your sacrificial troops, your main army will be manoevuering into more advantageous positions.
Spell thoughts
The signature part of his spell list chimes with his general outlook (personified in his feat) of ever advancing. Deceleration cast in turns one and two let his army get to the fight in more or less one piece and Synergy ramps his battlegroup hitting power.
The rest of his spell list is rather underwhelming, unfortunately. Easy Rider is dictated by terrain, but can be situationally useful, if expensive. The remaining two spells remain somewhat maligned among players to the extent that 'I cast Twister with INTENT' was briefly a meme and it is still a surprise to hear players report casting Lock the Target. The reasons for this are two-fold. Firstly, at FOC 6 and low POW, the spells are unlikely to hit and/or damage their intended targets without boosts or outside help. Sylys can help, but the points/free solo spot are better spent elsewhere, and a cloud wall is just too impractical for their lack of reliability (at least from a source such as Twister). Secondly, any spare focus Vyros has, he will camp, being the large target that he is, or allocate to his battlegroup, hungry buggers as they are.
So the SOP is to cast Deceleration and upkeep Synergy from turn 1.
Drawbacks & Downsides
- He's big and likes shouting "look at my horse!". This gets him shot.
- He isn't the best at combat mostly because he'll just get tied up, so unless you have no other choice keep him back and make some pop shots.
Tricks & Tips
- To maximise your Quick Work attacks, try to charge into a group of knocked down enemies (so that you're not engaged).
- Quick Work doesn't trigger on Impact Attacks, because they're outside your Combat Action.
List Building Advice
Strategy
Light-jack spam
Deceleration makes humble Griffons ARM 20 against shooting, which combined with their high SPD and Shield Guard (in forges of war), easy rider and bird's eye gets them delivered. Synergy and Concentrated Power then makes them hit as hard as heavies so you can use them to piece trade effectively. 5 Griffons, some heavies, a trident and support makes for a very dangerous and synergistic list.
Theme Thoughts
Forges of War
The default and easier to adapt to list coming from Mk2, the source of the Flock of Griffons that wasn't Una2. Sturdy light jacks with long reach and easy Synergy generators, the Griffon Spam remained a fixture of Retribution archetypal box skew lists.
- House Shyeel Arcanists have gotcha covered if three Arcanists not quite enough Empowering for you and you feel Vyros2 is Focus strapped and Power Up ain't doing it for you? Producing even more Empower and contribute to up to a whopping 9 additional focus fuel his battlegroup.
- Dawnguard Trident - The singular Dawnguard model in this theme, it is able to hold down a flank by itself and provide necessary shooting. Telekinetic Wave extend the threat range of a singular model.
- House Shyeel Artificer - Force Barrier is great, and even better when stacked with Deceleration.
Legions of Dawn
This theme leverages most of what's on Vyros' card, namely Veteran Leader. Surrounded by light jacks, but this time Harpies & Sirens, the main offensive output comes from the Dawnguard (usually two units of Sentinels), but don't underestimate a fully beefed up Siren which can hit well above its weight range when it needs to.
- Dawnguard Invictors - High accuracy and damage shooting. Clear out charge lanes, soften up beasts/jacks, hunt support pieces, they are useful in every game and if the worst happens they can always feed the feat.
- Dawnguard Sentinels - Deceleration helps to deliver them, and having Weapon Masters that accurate is borderline unfair. Expensive and less flexible then Invictors, but their damage output is unrivaled and demands attention, taking fire away from the rest of the list.
- The Dawnguard Trident and Artificer is here, too.
Support models - Various themes
- Arcanist Mechanik - Three is almost an auto include with Vyros, every ability they bring is useful for a caster who likes his warjacks.
- Lanyssa Ryssyl - Free charges and charging further are always good to have with a jack heavy list. The other abilities are less commonly used but being able to knock out a key model or remove pathfinder are potentially game winning when they come up.
Battlegroup
Imperatus is his pet warjack that he can take in any theme.
- Griffon - The Griffon brings a combination of long distance, accurate charges and survivability that is hard to beat. Excellent way of building Synergy, with it maxed they are capable of killing squishier heavy beasts in an activation but don't quite match the output of dedicated heavies.
- Sphinx - The Sphinx brings the punch of a heavy for a low price point (three Griffons is comparable to two Sphinx). They're tough, have a gun to get stuff done when you don't want to commit them, and once you tack on Synergy will break apart even the heaviest of armour.
- Imperatus - Imperatus is still Vyros' best friend, having the highest damage output and being the most survivable of all the Retribution jacks, excepting the colossals. Watch out for Grievous Wounds denying his healing.
- Manticore - For a little more then the Sphinx you lose out slightly in melee potential but gain a much better gun. Jack heavy lists traditionally have a weakness to Weapon Master infantry, and the Covering Fire wall helps to mitigate this.
- Aspis - Vyros is a large based caster, and as a result hard to block line of sight to. The Aspis can save you from the worst guns out there for little investment. But under Forges theme, every jack gives him a Shield Guard.
- Other jacks - Gorgons speed debuffing can help prevent melee engagements. Both the Banshee and Phoenix are good all round jacks, but Vyros does value their additional tools highly. When Helios is released expect it to show up frequently in jack spam lists.
- With the release of the Vyre lights comes an interesting list build: Dawnguard theme with all the Sentinels; accompanied by a jack herd that is smaller than the usual spam quantities, but still enough to generate and exploit Synergy (a common combination is 3 Harpys and 3 Sirens offering a balance of guns and punching, all with lovely lovely Bird's Eye).
Starting a 25 point Brawl list
In 2021.05 Phillip Melvin, one of the LOS authors, put together this list for the Brawlmachine format. It was then updated for the 2021.10 errata. He even wrote about it's playstyle and expanding it beyond 25 points, which you can read here.
Theme - Legions of Dawn
- Vyros2: [+27 WJP]
- Dawnguard Sentinel Scyir: [Free] (4 pts)
- House Shyeel Artificer: [3 pts]
- Arcanist Mechanik: [2 pts]
- Dawnguard Sentinels (Min unit): [9 pts]
- Command Attachment: [3 pts]
For more Brawlmachine list ideas, see Category: Brawl List
Other
Trivia
Released in Warmachine: Colossals (2012)
Video Battle Reports
Other Retribution Models
Rules Clarifications
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Rules Clarification: : Magical Damage (Edit)
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* The "Damage Type: Magical" is not inherited by "secondary" damage from a weapon. That is, stuff like arcs (Electro Leap) or hazards (Scather). (Infernal Ruling)
- All spells have "Damage Type: Magical" (refer errata).
- This is inherited by "immediate" secondary damage (such as Eruption of Spines). (Infernal Ruling)
- and might be inherited by "lingering" secondary damage (see below).
- If a spell leaves a template in play that does damage to models that walk around in it, then:
- if it is not described as a hazard it will do magical damage to models that walk around in it. (Example: Razor Wall)
- if it is a hazard then it will not do magical damage to models that walk around in it. Instead, it does whatever damage type is specified by the spell description. (Example: Breath of Corruption).
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- If a weapon/spell includes Magic Damage and another kind of elemental damage it will still damage Incorporeal models. Incorporeal models are not affected by the rule "if an attack does multiple types of damage and a model is immune to at least one it is immune to the entire attack."
The phrase "immune to non-magical damage" should be interpreted as "immune to damage that doesn't include Damage Type: Magical" (not interpreted as "has immunity to Corrosion and Electricity and Cold and etc.")
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Rules Clarification : Reload (Edit)
- You cannot mix melee attacks and ranged attacks in the same activation unless you have a special rule (such as Dual Attack). Reload does not get around this restriction.
- A Trample Power Attack is a melee attack, even if you don't actually trample over anyone and make zero dice rolls. So you can't trample then Reload (unless you have something like Dual Attack).
- You can use Reload to make additional attacks after a Special Ranged Attack. (Infernal Ruling)
- If you have (x2) of a weapon with Reload (such as Caine1), the special rule will only be written on the card once. But you can reload both weapons to the max limit. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification: : Warcaster (Edit)
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- General
- Damage from a feat is neither an attack nor Damage Type: Magical (unless the feat says it is).
- FOCUS (uppercase) is the stat printed on the warcaster's card. Focus (lowercase) refers to focus points a model currently has.
- Your CTRL area is double your FOCUS stat, not double your focus points. (Infernal Ruling)
- Casting spells or using feats is an anytime ability with the added restriction that you can't use them on the same turn you run even before you run.
- See also the clarifications on Any Time abilities (below).
- Some warcasters are also Battle Engines and thus follow all the Battle Engine special rules.
- There is no particular interaction between the Battle Engine rules and the Warcaster rules.
- Work out all damage modifiers (such as Decapitation doubling the damage that exceeds ARM) before reducing it with the Power Field. (Infernal Ruling)
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Restrictions on "Any Time" abilities ( Edit) [Show/Hide]
- "Any Time" abilities can be used at any time during a model/unit's activation, except:
- Before any compulsory forfeiture of movement/action. See step 2 of the activation sequence, appendix A.
- After the model with the "Any Time" ability has had their activation end "prematurely". By this I mean you resolved something which includes the phrase "its activation ends". Examples include:
- Running, failing a charge, or failing a slam.
- Abilities that include "then its activation ends" (such as Reposition and Teleport).
- In between declaring your charge target and making your charge movement. (Infernal Ruling)
- In between completing your charge movement and determining whether it was a successful charge. (Infernal Ruling)
- When you're in the middle of moving. (Note: Impact Attacks count as being in the middle of movement).
- When you're in the middle of an attack. Which also includes effects that occur "after the attack is resolved".
(Although the attack is "resolved" at Step 11, in terms of using an "Any Time" ability the attack is not "finished" until after Step 14. Refer to the first paragraph of Apdx A.)
- Your opponent interrupted your activation to trigger one of their own abilities (such as Countercharge).
- Warcasters/warlocks/etc can normally cast a spell or use their feat "At any time". However, there is a core rule saying they cannot do so on the same activation that they run. So, they are subject to all the same restrictions listed above, plus they can't cast/feat before running.
- Units: See below.
- In general you can use "Any Time" abilities while you're knocked down or stationary (except Spells and Feats which specify you can't).
- If you have a gun with a random ROF, you can use an "Any Time" ability inbetween rolling the number of shots and actually making the first attack. (Infernal Ruling)
- Units with "Any Time" abilities
- You cannot use an "Any Time" ability before issuing/receiving orders. See step 1 and 2 of the activation sequence, appendix A.
- A model in a unit can't use an "Any Time" ability after they run (Infernal Ruling) or fail a charge. Because that makes that specific model's activation to end even though the unit's activation is still ongoing, and you can't use abilities on models that are not active.
- You can use an "Any Time" ability before running, however.
- A model in a unit can't use an "Any Time" ability after anyone in the unit has begun a Reposition move. (Infernal Ruling)
- Warcaster/Warlock Cavalry ( Edit )
- Warcasters/Warlocks can't cast spells or use their feat while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement - you can use spells or feat before moving, or after moving, but not during movement.
- Exception: If your Impact target(s) include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities before starting the Impact attacks.
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Rules Clarification: : Warcaster Unit or Warlock Unit (Edit)
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This summary is specific to Warcaster/Warlock units. You may also want to check the Warcaster and Warlock pages respectively, for the "regular" rules clarifications.
- All models in the unit count as part of the battlegroup. So, for instance, Butcher3's argus can be moved via his Energizer spell.
- Warcaster units can have attachments. They can even attach units (such as the WSC). (Infernal Ruling)
- The non-caster models are trooper models but are not normally Grunt models. Therefore they're not normally eligible for stuff like Revive.
- If any member of the unit start to do their reposition movement, the warcaster or warlock in the unit would no longer be able to feat.(Infernal Ruling)
- Press Forward Order vs Spells cast at Any Time (Edit)
- You must issue orders before anything else. If you issue a Press Forward order, you must run or charge.
- If you cast spells before moving, you can't run so you must charge.
- If you cast spells before moving, then start the spellcaster's Normal Movement but have no valid charge targets, you are in a situation where you must charge but cannot charge.
In this situation the spellcaster must either:
- forfeit their Combat Action, use their Normal Movement to make a full advance, then their activation ends. (Note that you cannot cast more spells after the full advance).
- forfeit their Normal Movement, then their activation ends.
- (Infernal Ruling)
- Steamroller 2018
- The non-caster models can contest scenario zones & flags.
- The caster model cannot contest.
- The caster model can control zones and flags by itself, but:
- to control a zone, the entire unit remaining in play needs to be in formation.
- to control a flag, the entire unit remaining in play must be within 4" of the flag.
- Units Buying Attacks (Edit)
- If you make attacks with model [A], then start making attacks with model [B], you cannot 'go back' and buy more attacks with [A]. Because:
- A model can only buy additional attacks during its Combat Action.
- A model in a unit must complete its Combat Action before the next model starts theirs (with some exceptions, like CMA).
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Rules Clarification : Unit of Warcasters or Warlocks (Edit)
- Even though they're warcasters, if they're out of formation they suffer the normal penalties (can't make attacks, actions, spells, etc).
- They can't upkeep each other's spells.
- They can only dominate one SteamRoller scenario element at a time.
- Each warlock/warcaster can have different upkeeps on them if those upkeeps are "target SELF" or "target model". If you cast an upkeep that is "target model/unit", that is the only upkeep any of them can have.
- Units Buying Attacks (Edit)
- If you make attacks with model [A], then start making attacks with model [B], you cannot 'go back' and buy more attacks with [A]. Because:
- A model can only buy additional attacks during its Combat Action.
- A model in a unit must complete its Combat Action before the next model starts theirs (with some exceptions, like CMA).
- The Legion Twins
- Rhyas cannot dominate a zone while out of formation.
- Rhyas can use the feat while out of formation.
- Haley3
- Only Haley Prime is an 'actual' warcaster model, and as such she is the only one that can dominate a scenario element.
- The echoes can Control/Contest scenarios like a normal unit.
- Haley Prime can dominate an element even if the echoes are out of formation.
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Rules Clarification: : Cavalry (Edit)
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Mount Weapon
- Although the core rulebook specifies mount weapons have 0.5" range, this doesn't "overwrite" models that have a longer mount range listed on their card. (Infernal Ruling)
- Mount Weapons are melee weapons. (Infernal Ruling) This means:
- Mount Attacks can benefit from any buffs that affect "melee weapons" (such as Acidic Touch and Elasticity) or "melee attacks" (such as Battle Lust).
- Mount Weapons can be used to make free strikes.
- If the model doesn't have any regular melee weapon (such as the Gun Carriage) then it does have a melee range, can engage enemy models, and can make free strikes; anyway.
- Despite being a melee weapon, you cannot use a Mount's special attack on the same activation you charge. (Infernal Ruling)
- Exception: If you have Trampling Hooves, because that allows you to make charge attacks with your mount when you charge.
- Mount attacks will trigger "Melee attack" stuff like Battle Wizard.
- You can purchase additional attacks with your Mount Weapon. (Infernal Ruling)
Impact Attacks - Movement
- Impact Attacks "pause" your charge move, and as such don't normally trigger "ends an advance" abilities (such as Countercharge).
- The exception is if your Impact Attacks include your charge target, then you have to end the charge movement and turn to directly face the charge target before rolling any dice. In this case, stuff like Countercharge will get triggered before you get to roll your Impact Attacks.
- You cannot "pause" in an illegal position to carry out Impact Attacks. For instance: a Pathfinder cavalry model pausing halfway over an obstacle; a flying cavalry model pausing while it 'overlaps' other models; or any cavalry model pausing halfway through an Incorporeal model.
Impact Attacks - The attack(s)
- You resolve stuff that occurs "after the attack is resolved" (such as Battle Wizard) before continuing with your charge movement.
- If you have an ability that boosts your "first" melee attack (such as Stir the Blood), then only one attack will be boosted even though you're making multiple simultaneous attacks.
- If you choose to make any impact attacks, you make all attacks against all models in the Mount's melee range (even friendly models).(Infernal Ruling)
- Impact Attacks cannot be boosted, refer core rulebook.
- You cannot buy additional attacks while resolving Impact Attacks. Additional attacks can only be bought during your Combat Action, after resolving your initial melee attack(s) / special melee attack.
Impact Attacks - Other
- You cannot use "any time" abilities while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement; and you can only use 'any time' abilities before moving or after moving, but not during movement. (Infernal Ruling)
- Exception: If your Impact targets include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities.
Cavalry unit
- If you have a unit of Cavalry, charge them and do impact attacks, remember you interrupt movement to do impacts, but you have to resolve all movements before doing any charge attacks. So for example it would go:
- Cavalry model A charges enemy X, and contacts model M. Stop and make impact attacks against M. Then continue movement to X.
- Cavalry model B charges enemy Y, and contacts model N. Stop and make impact attacks against N. Then continue movement to Y.
- Cavalry model C charges enemy Z, and contacts model O. Stop and make impact attacks against O. Then continue movement to Z.
- Resolve model A's charge attack vs X, B's vs Y, and C's vs Z. (This can be done in any order, as per normal)
Other interactions
- Cavalry model with no melee weapon
- If you have a Mount weapon but no regular Melee weapon (such as the Efaarit Scout), you can still declare a charge. (Locked thread)
- You can make Impact Attacks along the way.
- Once you get to the charge target, however, you can't make a melee attack against it. Because you can't use the mount weapon for a charge attack, due to the way the Cavalry rules are written. (Unless you have a rule like Trampling Hooves.)
- If you don't charge, the mount attack can be used as an initial melee attack.
- Countercharge & Cavalry ( Edit )
- A model with Countercharge and Cavalry can make Impact Attacks during the countercharge. (Refer "Charges Outside of Activation" in the rulebook).
- Warcaster/Warlock Cavalry ( Edit )
- Warcasters/Warlocks can't cast spells or use their feat while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement - you can use spells or feat before moving, or after moving, but not during movement.
- Exception: If your Impact target(s) include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities before starting the Impact attacks.
- Flight on a Cavalry model (Edit)
- Although flyers can move over obstacles/models, and horses can pause to do impacts while charging, flying horses cannot make impact attacks while overlapping models/obstacles. You need to pause in a legal position.
- Gunfighter & Cavalry ( Edit )
- A cavalry model that charges then makes a Gunfighter attack will not gain a boosted charge attack roll, because a ranged attack is not a charge attack. (Infernal Ruling)
- You also won't gain a boosted charge damage roll, as per normal for a Gunfighter.
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Rules Clarification : Awareness and/or Bird's Eye (Edit)
- You only ignore clouds, forests, and models for LOS purposes. So, for instance, if you attack a model standing in a forest then it will still get concealment.
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Rules Clarification : Quick Work (Edit)
- If you're still engaged in melee when Quick Work triggers, you won't be able to make the ranged attack.
- Quick Work specifies "Combat Action" so doesn't work with Impact Attacks or out-of-activation attacks
- Attack-Generating Abilities (Edit)
- From the core rulebook: When a model is granted more attacks as a result of an attack it made, it gains only one. If two or more special rules would grant the model another attack as a result of making an attack, its controlling player chooses which special rule to apply.
- If you trigger two attack-generating abilities (such as Black Spot and Kill Shot) you choose to resolve one and "lose" the other (unless you trigger it again later).
- If you trigger two attack-generating abilities, and one of them is compulsory (such as Black Spot and Berserk), you must choose to resolve the compulsory one. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Reposition (Edit)
- Models out of formation cannot move via Reposition. Refer to the "Out of Formation" rules in the core rulebook.
- End of Activation (Edit)
- You cannot resolve two end-of-activation movement effects (refer to "End of Activation Movement" in the core rulebook). For EOA stuff that doesn't involve movement, though, it gets a bit more murky:
- Some EOA abilities explicitly state your activation ends as part of resolving the ability (like Reposition), and some don't (like Refuge).
- Whether it is explicit it or not, by definition an EOA ability is the last thing you can do for that activation. For instance, if you resolve Refuge and then continue your activation to cast more spells, then you have not used Refuge at the end of your activation.
- You cannot do an "at any time" ability during or after triggering an EOA ability; you cannot cast spells, purchase additional attacks, use a mini-feat, etc.
- If you start resolving an EOA movement (such as Reposition) then you cannot trigger abilities that occur "at any time" (such as Go To Ground). Because you can't trigger it while resolving the EOA movement, and after the EOA movement your activation has ended. (Infernal Ruling)
- For units: if any model in the unit starts resolving the unit's EOA movement, then no model in the unit can trigger an any-time ability. (Infernal Ruling)
- See also the training article: LPG - End of Activation.
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Rules Clarification : Veteran Leader (Edit)
- Veteran Leaders don't give themselves the buff, because of the "other models within ..." clause. However, if you have two models giving out the buff, then they can give it to each other. (Locked thread)
- If a model can get Veteran Leader from two sources (such as Vet Leader [Winterguard] simultaneous with Vet Leader [Assault Kommandos]) then the benefit does not stack. (Infernal Ruling)
- Some versions say "friendly" and some don't. Regardless, Veteran Leader only buffs friendly models. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Deceleration (Edit)
- Deceleration works vs blast damage.
- Deceleration works vs special effects on the gun/spell that cause "direct" damage. For instance, the Throw damage caused by the White Squall spell.
- Deceleration doesn't work vs 'secondary' damage that is 'not considered to be an attack' (such as Electro Leap).
- Deceleration doesn't work vs hazards that are put into play by spells/guns (such as the Stormwall's Covering Fire).
- Deceleration doesn't work vs non-offensive spells that also do damage, such as Blazing Effigy. (Locked thread)
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Rules Clarification : Lock the Target - None yet. (Edit)
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Rules Clarification : Synergy (Edit)
- Synergy is not retroactive. Synergy must be cast (or upkept from the previous cast) before any attacks will start adding to the bonus. (Infernal Ruling)
- You gain +1 bonus per model that hits. Not +1 per attack that hits.
- The Synergy bonus affects other battlegroup models. The currently active model doesn't benefit from any bonus that it earns.
- Frenzy attacks can contribute to the Synergy bonus.
- It is possible to earn Synergy bonuses during the opponent's turn, if they're letting you get lots of free strikes.
- If you have lots of out-of-activation attacks (such as the aforementioned free strikes), you may create a bookkeeping nightmare thanks to the "only get bonuses from other model's attacks" rule. Good luck!
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Rules Clarification : Twister - None yet. (Edit)
