Thyron, Sword of Truth

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Retribution Logo.jpg Thyron, Sword of Truth

Retribution Ellowuyr Warcaster

A master of House Ellowuyr’s unique swordfighting discipline, Thyron matches stillness with blurring speed. He is a tempest of sharpened steel, a paragon of Ellowuyr’s art of war. His command of his army is not unlike his technique with a blade. He stages quick bouts and feints with myrmidons and soldiers to draw out the opponent’s strength. When he perceives a weakness in the enemy line, he guides his army like a sword thrust directly at the enemy’s heart.

Basic Info

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Understanding
the Statblock

Warcaster - All warcasters come with a stack of standard special rules - most notably being awesome. Click here for a newbie-friendly recap, or click here for the full rules.

Feat : Blades of Vengeance

  1. Thyron and friendly Faction models beginning their activations in his control range gain an additional die on melee attack rolls.
  2. Additionally, while within Thyron’s control range, friendly Faction non-warcaster warrior models gain Killing Spree.

Blades of Vengeance lasts for one turn.

Killing Spree - When a model with Killing Spree destroys one or more enemy models with a melee attack during its Combat Action, after the attack is resolved the model with Killing Spree can advance up to 1" and make one additional melee attack.

Abilities

  • Blade Shield - This model gains +2 DEF vs ranged attack rolls.
  • Side Step - When this model hits an enemy model with an initial melee attack or a melee special attack, it can advance up to 2" after the attack is resolved.
  • Field Marshal [Side Step] - Warbeasts/warjacks in this model's battlegroup gain Side Step.
  • Riposte - When this model is missed by an enemy melee attack, immediately after the attack is resolved it can make one basic melee attack against the attacking model.

Weapons

Remembrance
Sword icon.jpg  RNG   POW   P+S 
2 6 13

Spells

COST RNG AOE POW DUR OFF
Flashing Blade

1 SELF - - - No
The spellcaster immediately makes one basic attack with one of its melee weapons against each enemy model in its LOS that is in the weapon's melee range. These attacks are simultaneous.
Fury

2 6 - - Upkeep No
Target friendly Faction model/unit gains +3 to melee damage rolls but suffers -1 DEF.
Onslaught

2 SELF Control - Upkeep No
The spellcaster and friendly Faction models beginning their activations in its control range gain Relentless Charge for one turn.
Relentless Charge - While advancing as part of a charge, a model with Relentless Charge gains Pathfinder.
Spellpiercer

2 SELF Control - Turn No
While in the spellcaster's control range, the weapons of friendly Faction models gain Blessed and Damage Type: Magical. Spellpiercer lasts for one turn.
Storm Rager

3 6 - - Upkeep No
Target friendly Faction warrior model gains +2 STR, MAT, and ARM and cannot be targeted by CRA or CMA.

Theme Forces

Recent Changes

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Thoughts on Thyron, Sword of Truth

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Thyron, Sword of Truth in a nutshell

Thyron is a support and melee assassination warcaster. He provides enormous buffs to models within his control range via Spellpiercer and Onslaught. Assail greatly expands his warjacks' threat range and focus efficiency. Storm Rager works wonders on any hard-hitting melee solo (Mage Hunter Assassin, Dawnguard Scyir, Houseguard Thane, Fane Knight Issyen, etc) and on Thyron himself. His Field Marshal gives a good bonus to his 'jacks when clearing infantry; though note that Cleave triggers off of destroying, not hitting, so make sure whatever you hit first stays down.

Thyron has decent defensive stats, high MAT, and good STR. Blade Shield makes him tough to hit at range without knockdown, and with Riposte, any enemy melee attack that misses Thyron allows him a free counterattack. This is not to say that you don't need to be careful with positioning; he's a medium-based model, which is hard to screen in Retribution, and knocking him down is an easy way to avoid his good DEF. He is absolutely legit in melee, boasting up to eight accurate and powerful Weapon Master attacks by combining Storm Rager and Cleave, which can bypass spell/animi DEF and ARM buffs with Spellpiercer if necessary.

Thyron is highly versatile. His spells give him options for supporting infantry, and a key to his proper use is learning which of his spells go on which models and when to use his control range buffs. Additionally, gauging when to allocate and when to camp focus can be just as important as positioning him for safety. He can affect the battle from a surprising distance, and sometimes standing back is his best defense.

Feat thoughts

Blades of Vengeance makes melee attacks highly accurate and lets models advance slightly after hitting in melee. Since it's army wide, his lists may want to capitalize on it, opting for melee units and Jacks. Any model that can get additional attacks in melee benefit greatly from Side Step. For instance, any 'jack in his battlegroup can combine Cleave and Side Step to great use, allowing them to move around before the second attack. This can remove troublesome UAs/ WAs or get in better position to knock out key targets that were beyond the initial charge range. In an ideal case, this can increase a 'jack's threat range by 4", using his initial attacks to clear warrior models in front of the intended target and side stepping to get closer to said target. Also, note that the control range limitation is only apparently so: all models activating within 12" of Thyron can leave that range and still benefit from the feat. Remember that it grants an additional die, meaning 'jacks can still boost their attack rolls if necessary.

Spell thoughts

Assail is a very good 'jack buff, increasing efficiency as well as charge range. On a Phoenix or Banshee, this usually means an extra attack. Combined with Onslaught for Relentless Charge, melee 'jacks can really tear into things. Assail also affects the Banshee's ranged slam, increasing the slam distance of small or med-based targets to a 3" minimum, 5" maximum! It's just one more thing for your opponent to think about - if there is a target between the Banshee and 3" of their caster...

Ground Zero, while a decent spell in and of itself, will rarely be used. Offensively, it can lead to decent infantry clearing. Defensively, however, you would have to survive the initial wave of attacks to get it off, so it's unlikely to be used in that capacity. Potentially, Thyron could charge a tightly knit unit of Warrior models, use his initial attacks, then cast it to wipe out a decent amount. Be careful he's not too far forward, as he will be open to retaliation!

Onslaught gives any friendly model in your control range Pathfinder on the charge. Probably good enough to be upkept, but it won't really need to be cast until the second turn, unless there are key pieces of terrain you need to charge over.

Spellpiercer, against armies that rely on defensive buffs, is a game changer. Remember, it only works against spells that increase DEF or ARM. If a spell grants an ability that increases DEF or ARM, it is not ignored.

  • Cryx: Let's you ignore all those annoying Ghostly or Incorporeal models, as well as Parasite.
  • Circle: No more annoying Forced Evolution on those DEF 14 Warpwolves or Inviolable Resolved Skinwalkers!
  • Cygnar: Loses out on that sweet, sweet Arcane Shield! Without it, Cygnar units, even Jacks, are quite squishy. Stormwalls/Hurricanes are in for some pain!
  • Khador: Tired of those Iron Fleshed troops causing all kinds of shenanigans?
  • Protectorate: This spell is HUGE against these heathens. It allows you ignore Holy Ward, Defender's Ward, and Inviolable Resolve (all very common in PoM).

Storm Rager is a fantastic buff. On turn one, it should be be cast on a Mage Hunter Assassin, Narn, Mage Hunter of Ios, or Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen for maximum use of the STR and MAT buffs. If an opportunity presents itself for assassination, casting it on Thyron himself offers a huge boost to damage. With Storm Rager (upkept for 5 Focus remaining, and assuming average rolls), Thyron will have a MAT 9, 29 damage charge, and 5 further 25 damage attacks. He's a monster. Defensively, it's useful to prevent combined attacks, and the extra ARM puts him on par with most heavies. That, plus the DEF from Blade Shield, make him fairly durable at range.

Drawbacks & Downsides

Thyron has limited focus and a lot of things he wants to do with it.

  • Camping can be vital for him to stay alive, but can be difficult if he needs to cast Spellpiercer or cycle an upkeep.

He is a medium based model, which can lead to difficult positioning to ensure he doesn't get killed.

  • While his DEF is very high against ranged attacks, a spell that knocks him down will lead to an early death!

Tricks & Tips

  • Thyron likes a lot of what the Fane Knight Guardian has to offer. The Guard Dog bonus (+2 Defense against melee attacks) makes him harder to kill, and helps him trigger Riposte more often. Shield guard can also protect him from hits from knockdown guns or any other deadly ranged weapon.
  • His Field Marshal: Cleave can boost your damage in an unexpected way if you are using a warjack with two different strength weapons. When your warjack charges a hard target, position so that you can use your smaller weapon on a squishier single-wound model if possible. Then, simply resolve your charge attack with your big weapon, use your little weapon to kill the single-wound model, Cleave with your big weapon into your charge target, and then spend the rest of your focus to buy attacks with your big weapon. Presto, all of your weapon attacks on the hard target were made with your big weapon and you didn't lose any attacks!

List Building Advice

Strategy

You will certainly want to capitalize on Field Marshal: Cleave, but it's not something required to build around. Any melee 'jacks/units work well with his feat. All told, he's pretty flexible when it comes to army composition, as Onslaught and Spellpiercer are army wide. Ranged units can do well with Spellpiercer, but Thyron's buffs lean toward melee.

Theme thoughts

    Defenders of Ios    

Thyron has access to his signature Swordsmen here, as well as both Fane Knights, Halberdiers for screeing, Nyss as roadblocks, back up shooting, as well as both battle engines.

  • House Ellowuyr Swordsmen Why stop at giving his jacks Cleave + Sidestep? These troopers have native cleave so they can carve through the enemy army.
  • Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen - He is exactly the kind of combat solo you want for the Storm Rager buff. He's expensive though.
  • Houseguard Halberdiers bring their own damage fix with their mini feat.
  • Heavy Rifle Team bring some back up shooting at a budget and Armour Piercing and Spell Piercer make armies relying on Arcane Shield and the like sad.
  • Ryssovass Defenders are perfect roadblocks with their character solo and also do massive targeted damage.
  • Aelyth Vyr, Blade of Nyssor is another great Storm Rager target and also brings Cleave for the feat.
  • Arcantrik Force Generator - It doesnt do much for his infantry, but if you are fond of Banshees (or any other combined arms mymirdon) with him, the AFG provides a range buff. It can also slam targets to enable assassinations.

    Legions of Dawn    

He has access to elite infantry and cavalry here, as well as the two jack marshals and Imperatus, a quality melee jack. Also, interestingly, among Sentinels, the Scyir and his marshalled jack you can play an army where almost everything has effective Vengeance.

  • House Shyeel Artificer and Dawnguard Sentinel Scyir - Assail is perfect on marshalled jacks, as they can both charge and Crush! These dudes also provide excellent buffs to your units and the Scyir is a great target for Storm Rager.
  • Dawnguard Destors - Under feat they roll 4 die on charge attack rolls, as they are cavalry, which also makes it extremly easy to set up Close Volley.
  • Dawnguard Destor Thane - The other great target for Storm Rager and he makes the Destors beefier to boot.
  • Dawnguard Sentinels - They can take some punishment with the minifeat and then dish it out in return thanks to Vengeance and Weapon Master and cleave is brutal on 2" weapon masters.
  • Imperatus - A quality jack that hits relatively hard in melee, so perfect both in his battlegroup or even marshalled.

    Shadows of the Retribution    

Probably Thyron's worst theme, as most of the units here have magic weapon and/or blessed already the Strike Force isn't melee oriented. Infiltrators under feat are nice, but that's about it.

  • Mage Hunter Assassin - Probably one of the best targets for Storm Rager. Too bad she's bound to a theme that does nothing for Thyron.

    Forges of War    

If you really, really want to maximise on his field marshal, you can field all the melee jacks in this theme. You can also have a Artificer marshal a jack as well.

  • House Shyeel Arcanists - You better stock up on these, as Thyron will need all the focus he can get to fuel a jack heavy army.
  • Arcanist Mechaniks - Also available in all other themes, but even more imperative here. Extra focus, or more melee hitting power, they do wonders for him!

    Support models - Various Themes    

  • Lys Healer - She gives him effective Steady, which is vital as he relies on his above average DEf to survive and thus hates pop-n-drop tricks.
  • Fane Knight Guardian - With Guard Dog and Total Devotion they push their respective defensive stats to ludicrous levels and he is also a Shield Guard if Thyrone is ever actually going to be hit.
  • Lanyssa Ryssyl She can speed everything up and lets jacks charge as well, which is great if you bought more than one marshalled jack. If combined with Assail on the same jack, that's +4" on your charges.
  • Sylys - Thyron will rarely, if ever sling spells, but the free upkeep is nice nonetheless.

Battlegroup

Naturally, Thyron gravitates towards melee jacks, however, a good gun for utility purposes is never a bad idea. He does not have much focus to give and buffs infantry much better than jacks, so he usually prefers a minimal battlegroup.

  • Manticore - Usually you start building your list with one . It's a great melee beat stick, and Covering Fire helps deliver your infantry. Two MAT /, P+S 17, 1" melee initials are also pretty good with sidestep.
  • Aeternae, Banshee, or Phoenix - If you are not bringing a second Manticore you bring one of these. They all have a (or in case of the Aeternae, two) 2" melee weapons which is great with Side Step, they pack a punch and bring extra utility: The Phoenix has an arc node for swapping upkeeps and unjams itself with Combustion, the Aeternae generates its own focus if within 5" of him or his swordsmen and the Banshee has a great Momentum gun that sets up assassinations and Wailing.

First Purchases

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Other

Trivia

Other Retribution models

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Battlegroup & Similar
Warcasters

Elara2 - Falcir1 - Garryth1 - Garryth2 - Goreshade4 - Helynna1 - Issyria1 - Kaelyssa1 - Ossyan1 - Rahn1 - Ravyn1 - Thyron1 - Vyros1 - Vyros2

Warcaster attachments Fane Knight Guardian (Retribution) - Sylys Wyshnalyrr (Retribution) - Madelyn Corbeau (Mercenary)
Other Warjack Controllers Elara1 (BGC) - Sentinel Scyir ('Jack Marshal) - Artificer ('Jack Marshal)
Light Warjacks Aspis - Chimera - Gorgon - Griffon - Harpy - Siren
Moros
Heavy Warjacks

Aeternae - Banshee - Daemon - Discordia - Hemera - Hydra - Hypnos - Imperatus - Manticore - Phoenix - Sphinx

Colossal Hyperion - Helios
Units, Solos, & Battle Engines
Units

Cyelna & Nyss Hunters - D Destors - D Invictors - D Sentinels - Heavy Rifle Team - H Halberdiers - H Riflemen - HE Swordsmen - HE Wardens - HS Arcanists - HS Battle Mages - HV Electromancers - MH Infiltrators - MH Strike Force - Ryssovass Defenders - Spears of Scyrah - Stormfall Archers
Special: Eiryss3 (CA) - Soulless Escort (WA)

Solos

Aelyth Vyr - Arcanist Mechanik - D Destor Thane - D Sentinel Scyir - Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios (1) - Eiryss, Angel of Retribution (2) - Eiryss, Fortune Hunter of Ios (4) - Elara, Tyro of the Third Chamber (1) - Fane Knight Guardian - Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen - Ghost Sniper - Hermit of Henge Hold - HE Warden Executioner - HS Artificer - HS Magister - Houseguard Thane - Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress Lys Healer - MH Assassin - Narn, Mage Hunter of Ios - Nayl - Priest of Nyssor - Scythe - Soulless Voidtracer

Battle Engines Arcantrik Force Generator - Dawnguard Trident
Theme Forces
Defenders of Ios - Forges of War - Legions of Dawn - Shadows of the Retribution
Mercenaries
Refer to Category: Retribution of Scyrah Mercenary
This index was last updated: 2021.04

Rules Clarifications

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Rules Clarification:  : Magical Damage      (Edit)
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* The "Damage Type: Magical" is not inherited by "secondary" damage from a weapon. That is, stuff like arcs (Electro Leap) or hazards (Scather). (Infernal Ruling)
  • All spells have "Damage Type: Magical" (refer errata).
    • This is inherited by "immediate" secondary damage (such as Eruption of Spines). (Infernal Ruling)
    • and might be inherited by "lingering" secondary damage (see below).
  • If a spell leaves a template in play that does damage to models that walk around in it, then:
    • if it is not described as a hazard it will do magical damage to models that walk around in it. (Example: Razor Wall)
    • if it is a hazard then it will not do magical damage to models that walk around in it. Instead, it does whatever damage type is specified by the spell description. (Example: Breath of Corruption).
    • (Infernal Ruling)
  • If a weapon/spell includes Magic Damage and another kind of elemental damage it will still damage Incorporeal models. Incorporeal models are not affected by the rule "if an attack does multiple types of damage and a model is immune to at least one it is immune to the entire attack."
    The phrase "immune to non-magical damage" should be interpreted as "immune to damage that doesn't include Damage Type: Magical" (not interpreted as "has immunity to Corrosion and Electricity and Cold and etc.")

Rules Clarification : Weapon Master - None yet. (Edit)


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Rules Clarification:  : Warcaster      (Edit)
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  • General
    • Damage from a feat is neither an attack nor Damage Type: Magical (unless the feat says it is).
    • FOCUS (uppercase) is the stat printed on the warcaster's card. Focus (lowercase) refers to focus points a model currently has.
    • Your CTRL area is double your FOCUS stat, not double your focus points. (Infernal Ruling)
    • Casting spells or using feats is an anytime ability with the added restriction that you can't use them on the same turn you run even before you run.
      • See also the clarifications on Any Time abilities (below).
    • Some warcasters are also Battle Engines and thus follow all the Battle Engine special rules.
      • There is no particular interaction between the Battle Engine rules and the Warcaster rules.
    • Work out all damage modifiers (such as Decapitation doubling the damage that exceeds ARM) before reducing it with the Power Field. (Infernal Ruling)


  • Restrictions on "Any Time" abilities     (Edit)         [Show/Hide]
    • "Any Time" abilities can be used at any time during a model/unit's activation, except:
    1. Before any compulsory forfeiture of movement/action. See step 2 of the activation sequence, appendix A.
    2. After the model with the "Any Time" ability has had their activation end "prematurely". By this I mean you resolved something which includes the phrase "its activation ends". Examples include:
      • Running, failing a charge, or failing a slam.
      • Abilities that include "then its activation ends" (such as Reposition and Teleport).
    3. In between declaring your charge target and making your charge movement. (Infernal Ruling)
    4. In between completing your charge movement and determining whether it was a successful charge. (Infernal Ruling)
    5. When you're in the middle of moving. (Note: Impact Attacks count as being in the middle of movement).
    6. When you're in the middle of an attack. Which also includes effects that occur "after the attack is resolved".
      (Although the attack is "resolved" at Step 11, in terms of using an "Any Time" ability the attack is not "finished" until after Step 14. Refer to the first paragraph of Apdx A.)
    7. Your opponent interrupted your activation to trigger one of their own abilities (such as Countercharge).
    8. Warcasters/warlocks/etc can normally cast a spell or use their feat "At any time". However, there is a core rule saying they cannot do so on the same activation that they run. So, they are subject to all the same restrictions listed above, plus they can't cast/feat before running.
    9. Units: See below.

    • In general you can use "Any Time" abilities while you're knocked down or stationary (except Spells and Feats which specify you can't).
    • If you have a gun with a random ROF, you can use an "Any Time" ability inbetween rolling the number of shots and actually making the first attack. (Infernal Ruling)

    Units with "Any Time" abilities
    • You cannot use an "Any Time" ability before issuing/receiving orders. See step 1 and 2 of the activation sequence, appendix A.
    • A model in a unit can't use an "Any Time" ability after they run (Infernal Ruling) or fail a charge. Because that makes that specific model's activation to end even though the unit's activation is still ongoing, and you can't use abilities on models that are not active.
      • You can use an "Any Time" ability before running, however.
    • A model in a unit can't use an "Any Time" ability after anyone in the unit has begun a Reposition move. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Warcaster/Warlock Cavalry ( Edit )
    • Warcasters/Warlocks can't cast spells or use their feat while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement - you can use spells or feat before moving, or after moving, but not during movement.
      • Exception: If your Impact target(s) include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities before starting the Impact attacks.


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Rules Clarification:  : Warcaster Unit or Warlock Unit     (Edit)
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This summary is specific to Warcaster/Warlock units. You may also want to check the Warcaster and Warlock pages respectively, for the "regular" rules clarifications.
  • All models in the unit count as part of the battlegroup. So, for instance, Butcher3's argus can be moved via his Energizer spell.
  • Warcaster units can have attachments. They can even attach units (such as the WSC). (Infernal Ruling)
  • The non-caster models are trooper models but are not normally Grunt models. Therefore they're not normally eligible for stuff like Revive.
  • Press Forward Order vs Spells cast at Any Time (Edit)
    • As of 2020.08, I have lost track of how this is supposed to work and I'm giving up until it is sorted properly. Refer to this thread for the latest ruling and follow-up questions.


  • Steamroller 2018
    • The non-caster models can contest scenario zones & flags.
    • The caster model cannot contest.
    • The caster model can control zones and flags by itself, but:
      • to control a zone, the entire unit remaining in play needs to be in formation.
      • to control a flag, the entire unit remaining in play must be within 4" of the flag.
  • Units Buying Attacks (Edit)
    • If you make attacks with model [A], then start making attacks with model [B], you cannot 'go back' and buy more attacks with [A]. Because:
    • A model can only buy additional attacks during its Combat Action.
    • A model in a unit must complete its Combat Action before the next model starts theirs (with some exceptions, like CMA).
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Rules Clarification : Unit of Warcasters or Warlocks     (Edit)

  • Even though they're warcasters, if they're out of formation they suffer the normal penalties (can't make attacks, actions, spells, etc).
  • They can't upkeep each other's spells.
  • They can only dominate one SteamRoller scenario element at a time.
  • Each warlock/warcaster can have different upkeeps on them if those upkeeps are "target SELF" or "target model". If you cast an upkeep that is "target model/unit", that is the only upkeep any of them can have.
  • Units Buying Attacks (Edit)
    • If you make attacks with model [A], then start making attacks with model [B], you cannot 'go back' and buy more attacks with [A]. Because:
    • A model can only buy additional attacks during its Combat Action.
    • A model in a unit must complete its Combat Action before the next model starts theirs (with some exceptions, like CMA).
  • The Legion Twins
    • Rhyas cannot dominate a zone while out of formation.
    • Rhyas can use the feat while out of formation.
  • Haley3
    • Only Haley Prime is an 'actual' warcaster model, and as such she is the only one that can dominate a scenario element.
    • The echoes can Control/Contest scenarios like a normal unit.
    • Haley Prime can dominate an element even if the echoes are out of formation.

Rules Clarification : Blade Shield - None yet. (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Side Step      (Edit)

  • You can't trigger Side Step by hitting friendly models.
  • You can't trigger Side Step from additional attacks that you buy, or out-of-activation attacks (such as free strikes).
  • If you have multiple initial attacks, you have to step after each one. You can't "save up" all your side steps then get a single big 4" or 6" move.
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Rules Clarification : Field Marshal      (Edit)

  • Field marshal only grants the ability to warjacks/warbeasts in the battlegroup, so (normally) the caster does not have the Field Marshal ability.
  • However if it is listed on the caster's card separately, such as on Magnus2, then they do have it. (Closed thread)
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Rules Clarification : Riposte      (Edit)

  • You can't resolve Riposte from a free strike because, by definition, the attacker is in your rear arc and thus you can't target them.
  • Dodge plus Riposte (Edit)
    • If a model has both Dodge and Riposte, you can choose whether to dodge or riposte first. Appendix A Step 13 applies here, because the controller of the model being attacked is not the active player.
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Rules Clarification : Killing Spree and/or Hornet's Nest     (Edit)

  • Attack-Generating Abilities (Edit)
    • From the core rulebook: When a model is granted more attacks as a result of an attack it made, it gains only one. If two or more special rules would grant the model another attack as a result of making an attack, its controlling player chooses which special rule to apply.
    • If you trigger two attack-generating abilities (such as Black Spot and Kill Shot) you choose to resolve one and "lose" the other (unless you trigger it again later).
    • If you trigger two attack-generating abilities, and one of them is compulsory (such as Black Spot and Berserk), you must choose to resolve the compulsory one. (Infernal Ruling)


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Rules Clarification : Flashing Blade      (Edit)

  • Flashing Blade is an unlimited spell.
  • Flashing Blade is optional.
  • All attacks generated are basic attacks.
  • Flashing Blade will not hit friendly models.
  • Simultaneous melee attack (Edit)
There are several abilities/spells that allow a model to make simultaneous melee attacks vs everything in range (Blood Reaper, Cyclone, Flashing Blade, High-Impact, Thresher)
      Some have Infernal Rulings that pertain only to themselves, but the clarifications below are applicable to all of these abilities:   [Show/Hide]
Targeting/Timing
  • To make a multi-melee-attack (MMA) you have to make individual melee attacks vs every model, and this means you need to target every model with a melee attack. If a model "may not be targeted by melee attacks" (such as Una2's feat) then you have to 'skip' it when you resolve the attack. (Infernal Ruling)
  • The attacks are effectively multiple separate attacks.
    • If you have a buff to your "next attack" (such as Tune Up) then it only works vs the first model you roll dice against, not vs every enemy. (Infernal Ruling).
  • The attacks are simultaneous.
    • If a model is out of LOS when you start the MMA, then you may not attack it during the MMA (even if the MMA kills what is blocking your LOS).
    • You need to target everything, then resolve all effects that trigger on "target" before starting any attack rolls. Then complete all attack rolls and do everything that triggers on "hit" before starting any damage rolls, and etc.
    In practice and to save time though, if neither player has effects that trigger on "being targetted, hit, damaged, etc" then they'll normally do the hit and damage rolls on a model-by-model basis.
    • If a model collects tokens from destroyed models (for instance the Cryx Harrower that collects souls), it cannot collect any tokens until all MMA are resolved.
Charging
  • If you charge and cast a spell to generate MMA, then none of those MMA count as a charge attack. You've "paused" your charge. If the charge target survives the spell, then you get to make a normal charge attack vs it.
  • If your MMA is simply tied to your weapon, then only the damage roll against your charge target is automatically boosted - other models caught in the MMA suffer an unboosted damage roll (although you can spend focus/fury to boost it)
Triggering other abilities
  • Most abilities that give the attacker a bonus move/attack tend to use the phrase "destroy one or more enemy models with a melee attack" and as such you'll only trigger this ability once. For example Berserk, Quick Work, Black Spot, etc
  • Other abilities, that trigger on "hit" or "damage", can be triggered from every attack in the MMA.
Many abilities only trigger off a basic melee attack, so don't work with special MMA (like Thresher). But if your MMA is basic (like High-Impact), things might get a bit complicated. In particular:
  • If you have Beat Back on the attacker, it is resolved after the attack. Every model that survives the MMA is eligible to be Beat Back-ed, and the attacker chooses the order. Pick one, push it and follow it, then decide if you want to Beat Back another survivor. Each push will recenter the directly away / directly toward part of the push. (Infernal Ruling)
  • If you have Electro-Leap on the attack, it is resolved after all attack rolls but before any damage rolls. The models that you just attacked will have electo-leaps bounce between them (as they will generally be the closest to each other). After the Electro damage is resolved, you can roll melee damage vs any models that survived the electric damage. (Infernal Ruling)

Rules Clarification : Fury - None yet. (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Onslaught      (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Relentless Charge      (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Spellpiercer      (Edit)

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Rules Clarification:  : Magical Damage      (Edit)
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* The "Damage Type: Magical" is not inherited by "secondary" damage from a weapon. That is, stuff like arcs (Electro Leap) or hazards (Scather). (Infernal Ruling)
  • All spells have "Damage Type: Magical" (refer errata).
    • This is inherited by "immediate" secondary damage (such as Eruption of Spines). (Infernal Ruling)
    • and might be inherited by "lingering" secondary damage (see below).
  • If a spell leaves a template in play that does damage to models that walk around in it, then:
    • if it is not described as a hazard it will do magical damage to models that walk around in it. (Example: Razor Wall)
    • if it is a hazard then it will not do magical damage to models that walk around in it. Instead, it does whatever damage type is specified by the spell description. (Example: Breath of Corruption).
    • (Infernal Ruling)
  • If a weapon/spell includes Magic Damage and another kind of elemental damage it will still damage Incorporeal models. Incorporeal models are not affected by the rule "if an attack does multiple types of damage and a model is immune to at least one it is immune to the entire attack."
    The phrase "immune to non-magical damage" should be interpreted as "immune to damage that doesn't include Damage Type: Magical" (not interpreted as "has immunity to Corrosion and Electricity and Cold and etc.")
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Rules Clarification : Blessed and/or Creator's Wrath     (Edit)

  • Blessed ignores buffs even if they're not directly on the target. For instance, Haley3's Temporal Distortion spell gives a DEF buff to everyone within 5" ... and Blessed ignores it. (Locked thread)
  • You only ignore the DEF/ARM buff if the spell directly adds to the stat. A spell which instead grants a separate non-spell ability, and the ability gives a DEF/ARM buff, would not be ignored. (Infernal Ruling)
    In this ruling, Blessed does not ignore the DEF from Ashen Veil, because the DEF bonus comes from Concealment, and not the spell itself.
  • If a spell buffs DEF/ARM and [something else] then you ignore the buff but not the [something else].
    • For example, the spell Cloak of Ash grants concealment, and models with concealment gain +2 DEF. You would not ignore this DEF bonus.
    • For example, the spell Death Ward grants +2 ARM and the defender chooses which column suffers damage. You would ignore the ARM bonus, but the defender still picks the column.
  • The Mk3 Blessed icon resembles the old Mk2 Magical Weapon icon. Do not get them confused.
  • This ability only ignores buffs from spells, not buffs from feats (such as Stryker1's Invincibility +5 ARM) or abilities (such as Protective Aura's +2 ARM).

Rules Clarification : Storm Rager - None yet. (Edit)