Prime
This model is available in one Prime Army, Shadows of the Retribution. It can also be used in the Unlimited game mode. You can view the other Mk3 models that made it into a Legacy Army at this page.
Note that the rest of this page is about the model's Mark III rules.
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House Vyre was once noted for its sinister weapons of war, and the Siren harkens back to those morally dubious inventions. Capable of mystically seizing control of those it slays to turn them against their former allies, the Siren makes use of terrifying technology. Only the dire nature of the Retribution’s cause justifies its use, employed only against those who would harm the gods.
Basic Info
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| Warcaster 0 |
| BASE |
Medium |
| SPD |
5 |
| STR |
9 |
| MAT |
6 |
| RAT |
6 |
| M.A. |
N/A |
| DEF |
12 |
| ARM |
17 |
| CMD |
N/A |
| ESSENCE |
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| FOCUS |
N/A |
| FURY |
N/A |
| THRS |
N/A |
| HP |
26 |
| F. Field |
N/A |
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| WBP |
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U |
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N/A |
| COST |
8 |
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| Warcaster 1 |
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N/A |
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Understanding
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Warjack - All warjacks share the same set of special rules. Most notably being big and stompy. Click here for a newbie-friendly recap, or click here for the full rules.
Abilities
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Construct
- Oracular Vision - Once per turn, when this model is directly hit by an attack, it can immediately spend 1 focus to not suffer a damage roll from the attack.
Weapons
- Force Shock - 10" range, POW 12 ranged attack
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Damage Type: Magical
- Death Driver - When this weapon boxes a living or undead non-warcaster, non-warlock enemy warrior model, you can immediately take control of the enemy model and make a full advance with it followed by a basic melee attack, then the boxed model is removed from play. The boxed model cannot be targeted by free strikes during this movement.
- Rune Blade - 1" reach, P+S 14 melee attack
- Light Rune Blade - 0.5" reach, P+S 12 melee attack
- Damage Type: Magical - As above
- Blessed - As above
- Open Fist - As above
Theme Forces
Thoughts on Siren
Siren in a nutshell
The Siren is the melee focused house Vyre light jack. It doesn't hit out of its weight class by default, but Blessed weapons make sure that the most common defensive spells will not stand in your way. Its gun is also useful against recursion-based armies, removing key pieces to deny their eligibility to revival by feats, spells and the like.
Combos & Synergies
- An Arcanist can Empower it after it activates, leaving one focus on it to use Oracular Vision.
- Helios - Broadcast Power can supply you with the spare focus for Oracular Vision, if the one from Power Up, or Empower is not enough.
- Dawnguard Scyir - If you look for a brawler jack to marshal, this might be one to consider beside the trusty Griffon. The Griffon can be delivered more efficiently due to its higher SPD, Pathfinder and longer reach. The Siren can contribute to the battle at range too, can be protected from a free strike via Oracular Vision (making it capable to dart into the enemy lines), can perform throws and the Blessed blades enable you more efficient resource control.
- Vyros2 - There's a list floating around with Vyros and just a buttload of Sirens, looking to maximise Oracular Vision to deliver 'jacks that then hit hard thanks to Synergy. It's kind of weird, though, because it's a jack-heavy force that can't go in the jack-heavy theme.
Drawbacks & Downsides
- One of the slowest light jacks in the faction, alongside the Harpy, and has no native ability to navigate through rough terrain.
- Oracular Vision requires you to "waste" focus and for your opponent to attack what you plan for them to attack.
- Although it can be very useful vs free strikes.
Tricks & Tips
- Even if you don't want to move the warrior with the Force Shock, it worth to shoot at it just for the RFP effect.
- If you destroy/RFP an enemy unit’s leader while under your control, the enemy will not replace the Leader model. Perfect against models with Deathbound or the Electric Arc rule.
- On your first turn you'll often have a bit of focus to spare, and it can be worth chucking an extra one on the Siren just in case it gets shot after running into position.
- Since it has 2 open fists, and the typical STR9 of its class, it can deliver Throws with a surprisingly high chance against medium/small based targets.
- Since Oracular Vision is once per turn, a Siren sitting on two focus is a nice target for your own attacks with beneficial effects. You can shoot it with an AOE gun or the Lightning Generator effect of the Electromancers, block your own damage roll, and still block a damage roll during your opponent's turn.
- Force Shock is pretty good against models using Dig In. If you can tag one of them or a different nearby warrior with your gun, have that model move to engage as many Dug In models as possible to scoop them all out of the ground.
- remember that Oracular Vision just ignores the damage secondary effects on guns etc can still get you
Other
Trivia
- Like its Harpy sibling, the Siren has a fitting name for its abilities, in this case, being able to compel enemies to do things they otherwise wouldn't (trading a song for something a little more fatal, though death comes either way!).
- Released in the "12 Factions of Xmas" CID cycle (2017.08)
- It has a longer fluff blurb on PP's "extras" page.
Other Retribution models
Rules Clarifications
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Rules Clarification: : Magical Damage (Edit)
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* The "Damage Type: Magical" is not inherited by "secondary" damage from a weapon. That is, stuff like arcs (Electro Leap) or hazards (Scather). (Infernal Ruling)
- All spells have "Damage Type: Magical" (refer errata).
- This is inherited by "immediate" secondary damage (such as Eruption of Spines). (Infernal Ruling)
- and might be inherited by "lingering" secondary damage (see below).
- If a spell leaves a template in play that does damage to models that walk around in it, then:
- if it is not described as a hazard it will do magical damage to models that walk around in it. (Example: Razor Wall)
- if it is a hazard then it will not do magical damage to models that walk around in it. Instead, it does whatever damage type is specified by the spell description. (Example: Breath of Corruption).
- (Infernal Ruling)
- If a weapon/spell includes Magic Damage and another kind of elemental damage it will still damage Incorporeal models. Incorporeal models are not affected by the rule "if an attack does multiple types of damage and a model is immune to at least one it is immune to the entire attack."
The phrase "immune to non-magical damage" should be interpreted as "immune to damage that doesn't include Damage Type: Magical" (not interpreted as "has immunity to Corrosion and Electricity and Cold and etc.")
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Rules Clarification : Death Driver (Edit)
Taking Control of an Enemy Model (Edit) [Show/Hide]
General
- Several abilities start with the sentence "Take control of a model" then a full stop, then a bunch of stuff you can do with that model. You can't uncouple the first sentence from the rest of the "do stuff" sentence(s), in other words if you want to "do stuff" then you have to "Take control". (Infernal Ruling)
- Taking control of a model means it is now friendly to you, and will immediately be engaged by it's erstwhile allies.
- This will limit your ability to make ranged attacks.
- If you get to make an advance with the controlled model, this can allow the original owner to take free strikes against his own model. He doesn't have to take these, of course.
- The controlled model does not have a proper Activation, so stuff like Chain Strike won't apply.
- You can use abilities on the controlled model, as long as they're not restricted to "during its activation" or "during its Combat Action". For example, you can use Mental Force. (Infernal Ruling)
- Buffs and effects:
- The controlled model counts as a "friendly model" and will benefit from any "while within" (aura) buffs that your own models are handing out (such as Mark Target), (assuming the controlled model meets the criteria for the buff).
- If the controlled model has already been hit by a "currently within" (pulse) debuff, then it will keep that debuff while under your control. Even if that pulse only affected enemy models (such as Deneghra1's feat) - temporarily changing who is friendly/enemy doesn't change who was/wasn't affected by the pulse.
- If your opponent is the same faction, then the controlled model will count as a "friendly faction model" and even more buffs are potentially available (such as Veteran Leader).
- Theme abilities:
- If a model gains an ability via a Theme Force rule, and then the opponent takes it over, it keeps the theme ability. (Infernal Ruling)
Movement
- You can advance a model into an area and force them to take damage (like an acid cloud, or a Razor Wall template), but they only take damage once per advance (ref Prime rulebook pg 65). Thus you cannot keep moving them micro-millimetres in and out of said area to inflict infinite damage.
- The model is friendly while under your control, so you can't force free strikes by walking it past your own models. You can, however, walk it past your opponent's models and politely ask if they want to take free strikes against their own model.
Attacks
- Many "Take Control" abilities allow a basic melee attack. Some allow a basic attack. Gunfighters cannot make a ranged attack unless they're allowed the later.
- Point Blank attacks cannot be made with temporarily controlled models, as Point Blank is only allowed 'during activation.'
- With reference to the attack sequence (appendix A) your control of the model doesn't expire until after Step 14. So you can potentially trigger abilities like Snacking (Step 11.4).
- As long as it's not limited to "during combat action" or "during activation".
Destroying the Controlled model
If the model is destroyed or RFP'd while under your control (for instance you walked it into a hazard), this has two consequences:
- It is considered to be under your control at the moment it is taken off the table:
- Your opponent can't reave fury off a warbeast destroyed this way, because it is an enemy warbeast when it is taken off the table.
- Your opponent can't trigger stuff that depends on a "Friendly model" being destroyed (such as Righteous Vengeance).
- You can't trigger stuff that depends on an "Enemy model" being destroyed (such as Cull Soul).
- It returns to the original owner once it's off the table:
- Your opponent can use Spirit Bond to get fury from the dead warbeast.
- Your opponent can use Return To Play abilities to get it back on the table (assuming it wasn't RFP'd).
Taking control of an enemy Trooper (member of a unit)
- A trooper you take control of becomes an independent model. Thus:
- It will not benefit from any bonuses that it gets from its comrades (such as Gang, Shield Wall, etc).
- It will not benefit from any bonuses that rely on the trooper being "in formation" (such as Granted and Tactics abilities).
- Spells on a unit are considered to be on the "unit", not on the "models that make up the unit". So a controlled trooper will not benefit from any spells on the unit.
- If you take control of the last survivor of a unit then the "unit" ceases to exist for the duration of the control. This means that any spells on the "unit" will expire. Woo, free dispel! (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Blessed and/or Creator's Wrath (Edit)
- Blessed ignores spell buffs even if they're not directly on the target. (For example, Haley3's Temporal Distortion spell is cast on Haley and gives a DEF buff to everyone within 5". Blessed ignores it on everyone, not just on Haley.) (Locked thread)
- You only ignore the DEF/ARM buff if the spell directly adds to the stat (for example Arcane Shield gives +3 ARM).
- Whereas a spell which grants an ability, and the ability gives a DEF/ARM buff, would not be ignored by Blessed (for example Cloak of Ash gives a model concealment, and concealment gives +2 DEF).
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- If a spell buffs DEF/ARM and [something else] then you ignore the buff but not the [something else]. (For example, the spell Death Ward grants +2 ARM and the defender chooses which column suffers damage. You would ignore the ARM bonus, but the defender still picks the column.)
- This ability only ignores buffs from spells, not buffs from feats (such as Stryker1's Invincibility +5 ARM) or abilities (such as Protective Aura's +2 ARM).
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Rules Clarification : Open Fist (aka, Power Attack Throw) (Edit)
- Throw ( Edit )
- See also the Throw article for a recap of the core Throw rules.
- If a model is somehow thrown at itself (which can happen with Durst1's feat) it would not move, it would be knocked down, and it would take a standard power attack damage roll but it would not take an additional die for colliding with itself. (Infernal Ruling)
- Because you move the target model between the attack roll and the damage roll, you can get different buffs applied to the two rolls. For instance, if you throw the target in or out of a Flanking model's melee range.
- Incorporeal vs Slammed/Thrown models ( Edit )
- Incorporeal models cannot be moved by someone trying to slam them.
- Slammed models can move through Incorporeal models.
- If they have enough movement to get past them, no dramas.
- If they land on them, you move the Incorporeal model out of the way as per the Rule of Least Disturbance.
- If the Incorporeal model cannot be moved (i.e. it's a flag) then you move the slammed model out of the way, also by the rule of Least Disturbance.
- For the purposes of Collateral Damage, only the model(s) you contacted before you applied the rule of Least Disturbance count as contacted.
- The same logic applies to Throws.
- Collateral Damage
- Collateral damage cannot be boosted and is not considered damage from an attack or model. Refer page 33 of the 2021.08 version of the rules pdf. As a result:
- It doesn't trigger stuff that relies on being hit by an enemy (such as Shock Field) or damaged by an enemy (such as Vengeance).
- It doesn't get bonus damage from stuff that adds to a model's damage roll (such as Signs & Portents or Prey).
- It doesn't matter if the attacker has crippled weapon systems or aspects.
- Throw - Power Attack
- When you make a Throw Power Attack, no other abilities of the Fist weapon (such as Chain Strike) are applied unless they specifically mention Throws. (Locked Thread)
- If you do a Power Attack Throw and you choose to throw the target directly away, no deviation is rolled to determine the final position of the model. (Locked thread)
- A model that cannot be targeted by melee attacks (such as Una2's feat) cannot have models thrown at them, either. (Infernal Ruling)
- Since throwing Model [A] at Model [B] involves making a melee attack roll vs Model [B] which is out of your melee range, it technically breaks a whole bunch of core rules. (Infernal Checking)
- Even though you make a "melee attack roll" vs Model [B] you don't actually make a melee attack vs it. Also, the damage it suffers is from Collateral damage, not from the original attack. So you can't trigger stuff like Snacking from damage you did to Model B.
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Rules Clarification : Warjack (Edit)
- The Cortex/Induction core rule means a warjack cannot have more than 3 focus at any time (maybe 4 if they're really special).
- Many abilities give out focus and don't state an upper limit (such as Convection and Empower). Despite not stating an upper limit, they are always "hard-limited" by the core rule.
- A warjack can have more than 3 focus during a turn, though. For instance, a knocked down warjack can Power Up and be Allocated 2 focus, then spend 1 to shake knockdown, then another model could Empower it back up to 3.
- Warjacks cannot spend focus outside of their activation. For instance, they can't boost free strikes or trigger Powerful Attack on Broadsides. (Infernal Ruling)
Inert warjacks
- Abilities that say they cannot be used if the model is stationary (such as Shield Guard) cannot be used while a warjack is inert, either. Refer "Warcaster Destruction", page 59 of the core rulebook.
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Rules Clarification : Construct - None yet. (Edit)
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Rules Clarification : Oracular Vision (Edit)
- Effects that trigger on a Hit (such as Pull) will still trigger.
Effects that trigger on Damage (such as Drag) will not.
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