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Circle Logo.jpg Mohsar the Desertwalker

Circle Blackclad Warlock

The "Old Man" of Oroboros, Mohsar is the eldest of the omnipotents and a harsh taskmaster. Though blind and physically frail only the foolish would think him weak, for he wields immense magical power and is ruthless to allies and enemies alike.

Basic Info[edit]

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Understanding
the Statblock

Abilities[edit]

  • Warlock - All warlocks come with a stack of standard special rules - most notably being awesome.
  • Pathfinder - This model treats rough terrain as open terrain while advancing. While charging, slam power attacking, or trample power attacking, this model does not stop its movement when it contacts an obstacle.
  • Eyeless Sight - This model 1) ignores cloud effects when determining LOS, 2) always ignores concealment and Stealth, and 3) never suffers Blind.
  • Maltreatment - Once per turn at any time during its activation, this model can remove 1 fury point from a warbeast in its battlegroup that is in its control range and add 1 fury point to its own current total. The warbeast suffers d3 damage points.

Weapons[edit]

  • Dust Howler - 8" spray, POW 13 ranged attack
  • Witherthorn - 1" reach, P+S 10 melee attack

Spells[edit]

COST RNG AOE POW DUR OFF


Crevasse

3 8 - 12 - Yes
If Crevasse boxes its original target you can make a 6" spray, POW 12 magic attack using the boxed model as a point of origin. You can target stuff in its back arc. All models boxed as a result of Crevasse are RFP'd.
Curse of Shadows

3 8 - - Upkeep Yes
Target model/unit suffers -2 ARM and cannot make free strikes. A model can advance through an affected model if it has enough movement to move completely past its base.
Mirage

2 6 - - Upkeep -
Target friendly Faction model/unit gains Apparition.
Apparition - During your Control Phase, place this model anywhere completely within 2" of it's current location.
Pillar of Salt

2 Control 3 - Round -
Place a 3˝ AOE anywhere completely within Mohsar's control range where it does not overlap a model’s base. The AOE is considered to be a friendly huge-based construct model. The AOE has DEF 5 and ARM 20, is automatically hit by melee attacks, and is removed from play if it suffers 1 or more damage points. The AOE remains in play for one round.
Sands of Fate

2 SELF Control - - -
RFP a friendly living Faction trooper model in the caster's control range and replace it with the caster. The caster cannot advance after casting this spell.
Sunhammer

2 SELF Control - Upkeep -
Enemy warbeasts and warjacks that advance more than 1" and end their Normal Movement in Mohsar's control range suffer d3 damage.

Feat: Disjunction[edit]

While in Mohsar's control range enemy models cannot leech fury or have fury leeched from them, and warjacks cannot Power Up. Disjunction lasts for one round.

Theme Forces[edit]

Recent Changes[edit]

2019.03 Steelhead Dynamic Update

  • Pillars of Salt, his signature spell, seriously changed.


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Thoughts on Mohsar the Desertwalker[edit]

Mohsar the Desertwalker in a nutshell[edit]

Mohsar is a control warlock who creates pillars of salt to get in the enemy's way, and debuffs and whittles away at the enemy.

Feat thoughts[edit]

This is a control feat that is amazingly powerful against some armies and almost useless against others. Some warmachine armies (such as Karchev the Terrible or General Ossrum) rely on power up to function properly, though many will find it a minor inconvenience. Against hordes armies, this feat can be devastating. Look for turns where the opponent has low fury on their caster or lots of fury on their warbeasts. If the warbeasts frenzy this feat can be a timewalk where a portion of their army will do anything from punching a nearby friendly model, to charging across the table into compromising positions. Even if they do not frenzy, they will still be able to accomplish less work the following turn due to the extra fury on them.

If the enemy warcaster is caught in this feat, they cannot cut since that is considered leaching from themselves. Since they cannot leach, this also means that their warbeasts with fury on them will take a frenzy check (meaning it is better to try and catch their warlock in the feat than the individual warbeasts). A turn with no fury can cripple many warlocks, and can majorly hinder their following turn as they will often be able to nothing, or risk assassination if they choose to spend their remaining fury. Remember that they need to be in his control range when they would leach or power up; make sure Mohsar finishes in a spot that catches the appropriate models in his control range.

Spell Thoughts[edit]

  • Crevasse- Outstanding against light infantry, especially those with AD. Learn to look for the angles, you can take out entire units with this spell. It also removes from play, making it quite good vs recursion based armies.
  • Curse of Shadows- Good for bringing heavy infantry down to size or softening up hard targets. If your opponent runs to engage your lines with fast infantry, cast this on them, and walk right through. Handy for cavalry charges, too.
  • Mirage- A threat range-extender that is great on everything from infantry to the Celestial Fulcrum. Since it is a place, it allows you to unengage yourself or once engaged, back up a little so you can charge again or appear behind for the backstrike bonus. Wolves of Orboros and both varieties of female tharn appreciate having this spell.
  • Pillars of Salt - See below
  • Sands of Fate- The most versatile spell on his list. Useful to get the drop on the opponent to get curse of shadows out, a big spray with his gun (don't forget that you can still aim before you Sands of Fate), setup juicy crevasse, or get Mohsar out of sticky situations. The world is your oyster with this spell. Just remember to not neuter your own army using this too much.
  • Sunhammer- This isn't going to cause a ton of immediate damage, but jacks and beasts who have been banged up already can accidentally cripple their own systems (especially nasty if your opponent just tried to repair that system). Consider that an opponent running 8 jacks will take about 16 dmg a turn cumulatively. Over a game this can easily add up to one or two heavies worth of boxes. Remember, even if they back away, they still take the damage. This can be especially brutal against armies that run a lot of lights, like Kara Sloan or Una 2, since a couple of 3's can start knocking arms off.

Pillar(s) of Salt[edit]

Yes that's right, this spell gets a heading all to itself.

The pillars have a lot of uses

  • Block charge lanes
  • Contest zones
  • Block LOS vs guns/spells

Just be careful you don't block yourself in, too.

The rules for Pillar of Salt have been wonky from the very beginning and cause some weird interactions. In 2019.03 the Pillars got a rules update which ... merely changed what the wonkiness was.

As of the time of writing (2019.03), here's a compiled list from the PP forums   [Show/Hide]
    • As the pillar is a model, spells that say reference "model" will now trigger their effects. For example it could have Curse of Shadows cast on it, meaning that you can advance through the pillar, or cast Parasite on it and cause it to suffer -3 ARM (and the spellcaster to gain +1).
    • The model is not massive, meaning that unlike a Gargantuan and Colossal, it can be effected by things that they cannot. For example the pillar can be placed (by shifting stones, telekinesis), thrown or slammed and knocked down. It could also be pushed by a model with bulldoze. Using the interaction of the previous note, you could therefore bulldoze a pillar into a razor wall and destroy (remove from play) it.
    • They contest zones (and flags), but do not control them.*
    • Abilities that state they trigger on "enemy model hit" or "enemy model damaged" etc, will trigger. So a model with Side Step can trigger the ability after resolving a melee attack on a Pillar.
    • Abilities that trigger on disabling, boxing or destroying a model, such as Berserk, Swift Hunter, Battle Wizard would not trigger if the pillar is damaged by the attack, as the model is removed from play. (This has been corrected from the original version of this post)
    • As the Pillar is a model, it does not block Sprays. Intervening models are not counted when resolving LOS for a spray, so a pillar could be the subject of a spray, and any models under the template on the other side would be eligible to be hit as well.
    • As it is now a friendly model, it cannot be charged by a model on the Circle Player's army. This also means that it cannot be the subject of a power attack from the friendly player, only the enemy.
    • As the pillar is a model, it is affected by abilities that target a model. For example, Rust would reduce the armour of the model. Erosion would allow an additional damage die to be rolled.
    • The pillar introduces a new base size, the 76.2mm base.* This is larger than a large Base (50mm) but smaller than a Huge (120mm). It should, however, be treated as a huge base(?), so things like a throw the model would stop when it hits another huge base.
    • As it is treated as a Huge base, it is 5 tall.
    • As they are models, pillars cannot overlap each other.
    • As the model is a Construct it does not generate a soul or corpse.
    • If a model has the ability the remove the Construct rule, such as via the Accursed Arcana, then the Pillar would be treated as a living model. Accursed Arcana can effect it, as it is non-warbeast model.
    • If a model has the ability the remove the Construct rule, such as via the Accursed Arcana, then the pillar would generate a corpse and soul token on destruction(?). (unsure, but I suspect yes) Not correct, the pillar is Removed from play as it suffers damage, meaning it cannot generate a soul or corpse token.
    • It has to activate during the turn it is created.
    • A model with Ghostly cannot advance through a Pillar any more.
    • A model with Acrobatics (or other ability allowing it to advance through models) can advance through a Pillar.
    • A pillar cannot gain Concealment or Cover, as Huge Bases cannot gain these benefits (these are not part of the Massive rule in Gargantuan/Colossal)
    • The pillar does not have the Great Beast rule, so can gain Incorporeal and Stealth.
    • If the pillar is knocked down, by an effect that doesn't inflict damage or an attack that failed to damage, it would not block LOS (like any other model).
    • It is unknown if a pillar has arcs, and how those are determined. If it does have arcs, then it would suffer from things like back stab, or a defence penalty when have a ranged attack made against it in the back arc. My personal opinion would be play without arcs for the time being, even though there aren't any rules for a model with no arcs. The reason being that this causes less problems. This can be debated in the replies.
    • A pillar can be the subject of a model/units Prey target. If the model is not damaged and it removed due to the round ending, then the model/unit would select a new Prey target at that point.
    • A pillar will take damage if it enters an area that would cause damage, i.e. a hazard (in the same way described in the Bulldoze/Razor Wall interaction above).

Electro Leaps can arc to and from a Pillar.

    • As the pillar does not have any rules like Stationary is can be engaged. This has multiple implications. If you are engaging the pillar you cannot make ranged attacks unless you have a rule to do so in melee. If you have Gunfighter, you will only be able to shoot the pillar. If you are engaging the pillar, you will also gain a +4 defence bonus from shooting, from being engaged. The pillar, however, does not benefit from the +4 defence bonus, as it is a huge base; and a missed attack does not get randomised to a different model.

Drawbacks & Downsides[edit]

  • Mohsar is extremely squishy - old man stats and no defensive tech.
  • Because of the above he is reliant on Sands of Fate to get him to where he wants to be and back to a safe place. If your opponent an focus fire down your infantry, this will hamper his strategy.
  • Most charging infantry can swat a Pillar of Salt. And that's not a good rate of return on your Fury.
  • He has a lot of moving parts and as such can be rough on your clock.
  • Is a jack of all trades caster, meaning he won't have a control your opponents army as well as Krueger or Wurmwood, and won't buff your army as well as Una or Bradigus.
  • The only spell you can Geomancy is Crevasse (even if it is awesome).

Tricks & Tips[edit]

  • Don't be fooled by Erosion; his P+S is too low to do real amounts of damage to warjacks, even if he is a weaponmaster against them.
    • It can come in useful vs Battle Engines, light warjacks, most Convergence infantry, and a few Skorne infantry.

List Building Advice[edit]

Strategy[edit]

Mohsar is a control caster that attritions well and pressures assassination. He is going to use his feat to shut down the enemy battlegroup, Mirage and Curse of Shadows to increase his army's threat ranges and damage output, and Sands of Fate to terrorize the battlefield.

Sunhammer also chips damage onto the enemy battlegroup, making them easiesr to get rid of. Over the course of the game against warjack/warbeast heavy armies this can actually accumulate to quite a lot of damage. Mohsar also has a nasty assassination run by running an infantry model near the enemy warcaster, Sands of Fate'ing to be within 2", casting Doppler Bark to drop their Defense to 5 (assuming you have a Wild Argus), and then killing them with his army (if not by himself). It can be hard to defend against coming from any angle.

Theme Thoughts[edit]

Mohsar has a good home in Devourer's Host, Wild Hunt, or themeless lists. He prefers lots of infantry to use as Sands of Fate targets, his preferred unit for this are Tharn Bloodweavers or Wolves of Orboros since they are fast, cheap, and can get access to ambush. Curse of Shadows and Mirage are also more effective the more models you have to be affected by them, which again lends to to more infantry or mixed arms type army compositions.

He also has consideration in Bones of Orboros, thanks to Geomancy from the Woldwarden. This means that he can put out a ton of sprays each turn. The only issue here is that he doesn't have any sands of fate targets.

Army[edit]

Things you take in his army to help him with this strategy is...

  • Gallows Grove - Not required, but will help you not kill as many models with Sands of Fate, also saving you fury.
  • He wants plenty of fast infantry to sands of fate with. Wolves of Orboros and Tharn Bloodweavers are some favorite targets. You cannot use it on non living troopers which means Mannikins and Shifting Stones are not a legal target.
  • Wild Argus for the animus. This has three different purposes. First is assassination pressure, as most casters that get paralyzed are going to be dead casters. Second is Mat/Rat fixing, as your opponent's army cannot rely on high defenses to protect them. Last purposes is to control your opponent's army, as Doppler Bark prevents running or charging.
  • A warbeast that can take damage for when he maltreats or a healing objective.

Other[edit]

Trivia[edit]

Released in Hordes: Metamorphosis (2009)

Other Circle models[edit]

Circle Logo.jpg       Circle Index       (Edit)            
Battlegroup & Similar
Warlocks Baldur1 - Baldur2 - Bradigus1 - Grayle1 - Iona1 - Kaya1 - Kaya2 - Kaya3 - Kromac1 - Kromac2 - Krueger1 - Krueger2 - Mohsar1 - Morvahna1 - Morvahna2 - Tanith1 - Una2 - Wurmwood1
Lessers & Attachments Druid Wilder (Attached) - Una1 (Lesser)
Light Argus Moonhound - Winter Argus - Wild Argus - Gorax Rager - Razorwing Griffon - Rotterhorn Griffon - Scarsfell Griffon - Wold Wight - Woldwatcher - Woldwyrd
Heavy Gnarlhorn Satyr - Riphorn Satyr - Shadowhorn Satyr - Feral Warpwolf - Pureblood Warpwolf - Warpwolf Stalker - Wold Guardian - Woldwarden
Brennos the Elderhorn (Satyr) - Ghetorix (Warpwolf) - Loki (Warpwolf) - Megalith (Woldwarden)
Gargantuans Storm Raptor - Woldwrath
Units, Solos, Battle Engines, & Structures
Units Druid Mist Riders - Druids of Orboros & CA - Reeves of Orboros & CA - Sentry Stone & Mannikins - Shifting Stones & CA - Stoneward & Woldstalkers - Tharn Bloodtrackers & Character UA - Tharn Bloodweavers & CA - Tharn Blood Pack - Tharn Ravagers & CA - Tharn Wolf Riders - Warpborn Skinwalkers & CA - Wolves of Orboros & CA
Brighid & Caul - Death Wolves
Solos

Blackclad Stoneshaper - Blackclad Wayfarer - Bloodweaver Night Witch - Druid Wilder - Gallows Grove - Lord of the Feast - Reeve Hunter - Primal Archon - Tharn Blood Shaman - Tharn Ravager Shaman - Tharn Ravager White Mane - Tharn Wolf Rider Champion - Una the Falconer - War Wolf - Wolf Lord Morraig

Battle Engines & Structures Celestial Fulcrum (Engine) - Well of Orboros (Structure)
Theme Forces
Call of the Wild - Secret Masters - The Bones of Orboros - The Devourer's Host - The Wild Hunt
Minions
Refer to Who Works for Whom and/or Category: Circle Orboros Minion
This index was last updated: 2019.04

Video Battle Reports[edit]

Rules Clarifications[edit]

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Rules Clarification : Feat - Disjunction

  • Warjacks can still have focus allocated to them by their warcasters, and/or gain focus via other special rules such as Empower or Accumulator


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Rules Clarification:  : Magical Damage      (Edit)
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* The "Damage Type: Magical" is not inherited by "secondary" damage from a weapon. That is, stuff like arcs (Electro Leap) or hazards (Scather). (Infernal Ruling)
  • All spells have "Damage Type: Magical" (refer errata).
    • This is inherited by "immediate" secondary damage (such as Eruption of Spines). (Infernal Ruling)
    • and might be inherited by "lingering" secondary damage (see below).
  • If a spell leaves a template in play that does damage to models that walk around in it, then:
    • if it is not described as a hazard it will do magical damage to models that walk around in it. (Example: Razor Wall)
    • if it is a hazard then it will not do magical damage to models that walk around in it. Instead, it does whatever damage type is specified by the spell description. (Example: Breath of Corruption).
    • (Infernal Ruling)
  • If a weapon/spell includes Magic Damage and another kind of elemental damage it will still damage Incorporeal models. Incorporeal models are not affected by the rule "if an attack does multiple types of damage and a model is immune to at least one it is immune to the entire attack."
    The phrase "immune to non-magical damage" should be interpreted as "immune to damage that doesn't include Damage Type: Magical" (not interpreted as "has immunity to Corrosion and Electricity and Cold and etc.")

Rules Clarification : Erosion - None yet. (Edit)


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Rules Clarification:  : Warlock      (Edit)
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  • General
    • Damage from a feat is neither an attack nor Damage Type: Magical (unless the feat says it is).
    • FURY (uppercase) is the stat printed on the warlock's card. Fury (lowercase) refers to fury points a model currently has.
    • Your CTRL area is double your FURY stat, not double your fury points. (Infernal Ruling)
    • Casting spells or using feats is an anytime ability with the added restriction that you can't use them on the same turn you run even before you run.
      • See also the clarifications on Any Time abilities (below).
    • Some warlocks are also Battle Engines and thus follow all the Battle Engine special rules.
      There is no particular interaction between the Battle Engine rules and the Warlock rules.
  • Reaving & Leeching
    • If you choose to Reave, it's all or nothing. You must Reave all the Fury (up to your limit) and you can't choose to "let some disappear". (Locked thread)
    • If your warbeast is Removed From Play, you can still reave fury off it. (Locked thread)
    • If your warbeast is destroyed or RFP'd while under your opponent's control then:
      1. You cannot reave fury off it. Because it is still enemy at the time it was destroyed/RFP'd, and you can't reave from enemy warbeasts.
      2. After it is taken off the table, it returns to your control and is eligible for Spirit Bond and (possibly) Return to Play stuff (like Thagrosh1's feat).
  • Transferring Damage
    • If both the warlock and the warbeast are damaged by the same attack (such as an AOE), then you need to apply the 'normal' damage to the warbeast before the transferred damage. This distinction can be important when you're working out who/what actually destroyed the beast. (Infernal Ruling)
    • If there is too much damage for the warbeast and it "overlaps" back to the warlock, then that damage is considered ... unsure at this time. (Infernal Checking)
  • Restrictions on "Any Time" abilities     (Edit)         [Show/Hide]
    • "Any Time" abilities can be used at any time during a model/unit's activation, except:
    1. The model with the Any Time ability has had their activation end "prematurely". By this I mean you resolve anything which includes "its activation ends". Examples include:
      • Running, failing a charge, or failing a slam.
      • Abilities that include "then its activation ends" (such as Reposition and Teleport).
    2. In between declaring your charge target and making your charge movement. (Infernal Ruling)
    3. In between completing your charge movement and determining whether it was a successful charge. (Infernal Ruling)
    4. You're in the middle of moving. (Note: Impact Attacks count as being in the middle of movement).
    5. You're in the middle of an attack. Which also includes effects that occur "after the attack is resolved".
      (Although the attack is "resolved" at Step 11, in terms of using an Any-Time ability the attack is not "finished" until after Step 14. Refer to the first paragraph of Apdx A.)
    6. Your opponent interrupted your activation to trigger one of their own abilities, such as Countercharge.

    • In general you can use "Any Time" abilities while you're knocked down or stationary (except Spells and Feats which specify you can't).
    • If you have a gun with a random ROF, you can use an "Any Time" ability inbetween rolling the number of shots and actually making the first attack. (Infernal Ruling)

    • Units with "Any Time" abilities
    • Even if the ability says "any time during the unit's activation", a model in a unit can't use an Any Time ability if they run, fail a charge, or use an ability like Reposition.
    • Because that model's activation has ended (even if the unit's activation is still ongoing) and you can't use abilities on models that are not active.
    • So, for example:
      • You cannot use a minifeat after the Officer runs. (Infernal Ruling)
      • You cannot use a minifeat after anyone in the unit has begun a Reposition move. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Warcaster/Warlock Cavalry ( Edit )
    • Warcasters/Warlocks can't cast spells or use their feat while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement - you can use spells or feat before moving, or after moving, but not during movement.
      • Exception: If your Impact target(s) include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities before starting the Impact attacks.


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Rules Clarification : Warcaster Unit or Warlock Unit     (Edit)
This summary is specific to Warcaster/Warlock units. You may also want to check the Warcaster and Warlock pages respectively, for the "regular" rules clarifications.

  • If you're giving an order, it must be done first, before casting any spells or using your feat.
  • All models in the unit count as part of the battlegroup. So, for instance, Butcher3's argus can be moved via his Energizer spell.
  • Warcaster units can have attachments. They can even attach units (such as the WSC). (Infernal Ruling)
  • The non-caster models are trooper models but are (normally) not Grunt models. Therefore they're not eligible for stuff like Revive.
  • Steamroller 2018
    • The non-caster models can contest scenario zones & flags.
    • The caster model cannot contest.
    • The caster model can control rectangle zones and flags by himself.
    • However, to control a circular zone, the entire unit needs to be within the circle.
  • Units Buying Attacks (Edit)
    • If you make attacks with model [A], then start making attacks with model [B], you cannot 'go back' and buy more attacks with [A]. Because:
    • A model can only buy additional attacks during its Combat Action.
    • A model in a unit must complete its Combat Action before the next model starts theirs (with some exceptions, like CMA).
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Rules Clarification : Unit of Warcasters or Warlocks     (Edit)

  • Even though they're warcasters, if they're out of formation they suffer the normal penalties (can't make attacks, actions, spells, etc).
  • They can't upkeep each other's spells.
  • They can only dominate one SteamRoller scenario element at a time.
  • Each warlock/warcaster can have different upkeeps on them if those upkeeps are "target SELF" or "target model". If you cast an upkeep that is "target model/unit", that is the only upkeep any of them can have.
  • Units Buying Attacks (Edit)
    • If you make attacks with model [A], then start making attacks with model [B], you cannot 'go back' and buy more attacks with [A]. Because:
    • A model can only buy additional attacks during its Combat Action.
    • A model in a unit must complete its Combat Action before the next model starts theirs (with some exceptions, like CMA).
  • The Legion Twins
    • Rhyas cannot dominate a zone while out of formation.
    • Rhyas can use the feat while out of formation.
  • Haley3
    • Only Haley Prime is an 'actual' warcaster model, and as such she is the only one that can dominate a scenario element.
    • The echoes can Control/Contest scenarios like a normal unit.
    • Haley Prime can dominate an element even if the echoes are out of formation.
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Rules Clarification : Pathfinder      (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Eyeless Sight      (Edit)

  • A model that ignores Stealth must ignore both aspects: both (1) the auto-missing, and (2) the 'not counting as an intervening model' parts.
    • This can have some strange interactions with casters & channelers, if one has Eyeless Sight and one does not. There are examples on the Category:Channeler page.
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Rules Clarification : Maltreatment      (Edit)

  • The warlock can exceed its FURY stat in fury points as a result of this ability.
  • You can't use Maltreatment on a warbeast that has 0 fury. (Locked thread)
  • Maltreatment isn't a friendly attack so if it kills the warbeast you can still reave from it. (Locked thread)


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Rules Clarification : Crevasse and/or Jaws of Urcaen     (Edit)

  • Because this ability specifies "original target", if you target a model in melee, miss, and randomise to a new target; then you cannot trigger it vs that new target.
  • Crevasse only
    • In terms of casting a spell (and anti-magic stuff like Arcane Vortex) you only target the original model with the spell. The bonus spray can't be blocked by Arcane Vortex, because by then you're already past the point that AV can be used. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Curse of Shadows      (Edit)

  • There is no distinction in the spell between friendly and enemy; neither in the targeting restrictions or in the 'who can move through them' effect.
  • You can't move through affected models during involuntary movement (pushes & slams) because that's not an advance.
  • Charging through models (Edit)
    • You can't charge all the way through your charge target, with the intention to turn around and face them once you're on the other side.
      • Because you aren't able to satisfy the "must keep the charge target in melee range" clause at the point after you are through the model but before you turn to directly face. At that point the target is behind you, not in your front arc, and thus not in your melee range.
      • Your melee range only extends to your front arc. Refer to the latest errata.
    • You can still "skim" through the edge of their base, if you're careful and smart with your positioning.
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Rules Clarification : Mirage      (Edit)

  • The upkeep needs to be paid before you can get the Apparition move. Refer Step 4 vs Step 5 of "Control Phase" in the core rulebook.
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Rules Clarification : Apparition      (Edit)

  • If a model is B2B with you when you use Apparition then they will be exactly 2" away afterwards. So you can't get away from 'long reach' melee weapons.
  • Unit members must always be placed in formation. Refer to the "Placed" section if the core rulebook.
    • If a trooper can't be placed in formation (because it's more than 2" out of formation to begin with) then it can't be placed at all.
    • The unit commander is always "In Formation" by definition, so can be placed where he likes.
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Rules Clarification : Pillar of Salt      (Edit)

  • Due to the old version being a complete mess of interactions Pillar of Salt was completely rewritten in March 2019. It still doesn't work properly and rumour has it that it will be re-rewritten in April 2019. In the mean time ... Placeholder
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Rules Clarification : Sands of Fate      (Edit)

  • Although you cannot advance after using the spell, you can still use your Normal Movement for a different option. You can either:
    • Forfeit your Normal Movement (if there is something that requires you to forfeit), or
    • Use your Normal Movement to Aim.
  • The trooper doesn't need to be in formation, or in the caster's LOS.
  • Solos are not troopers.
  • You cannot use Sands of Fate when affected by a "cannot be placed" effect (such as Wild Growth). (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Sunhammer      (Edit)