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Major Prime Victoria Haley
Cygnar Warcaster Unit
Haley Past & Haley Future
Created Troopers

Victoria Haley has risen through the ranks of the Cygnaran Army to become one of the most potent arcanists in recorded history. Her mastery over the flow of time allows her to conjure echoes of herself from the past and future to fight at her side. By her unprecedented powers, Major Prime Victoria Haley bends the fabric of time and shatters the fundamental laws of reality as she outpaces and outfights the foes of Cygnar.

Basic Info

Haley's unit starts with just her in it, and she can summon the two troopers.

Haley Prime (Present)

Haley Prime aka Haley3
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Understanding
the Statblock

Present Abilities

  • Unit of Warcasters - All warcasters come with a stack of standard special rules - most notably being awesome. Furthermore, this unit includes more than one warcaster model, so it is even more awesome. (Click the link for a full rundown.) The Echoes aren't technically warcasters so it's not really a "unit of warcasters", but, whatever.
  • Reiteration - Haley Prime can repeat any spell cast by one of the other Haleys in the same activation.
  • Time Walker - 1) At any time during her activation, Haley Prime can spend 2 focus to add to play Haley Past and/or Haley Future, if they're not already in play. Place them completely within 2" of Prime. They start at full focus but can't activate the turn they're placed. 2) During her Control Phase, Prime has to spend 2 focus for each one she wants to keep in play.
  • Set Defense - A model in this model's front arc suffers -2 on charge, slam power attack, and impact attack rolls against this model.

Present Weapons

  • Hand Cannon - 12" range, POW 12 gun
  • Echo- 2" reach, P+S 12 melee weapon

Present Spells

COST RNG AOE POW DUR OFF


Domination

4 8 - - - Yes
Take control of an enemy warjack with a non-crippled cortex. Warjacks are allowed to make a full advance, ignoring free strikes, and then make a melee attack. Can only be cast once per activation, and any given warjack can only be affected once per turn.
Repudiate

2 10 - - - Yes
All animi/upkeep spells on the target hit expire. Also, if an upkeep expires, the model controlling it takes d3 points of damage.
Tactical Supremacy

2 6 - - Upkeep -
Target friendly Faction model/unit gains Reposition [3"].
Reposition [3"] - At the end of an activation in which it did not run or fail a charge, this model can advance up to 3", then its activation ends.
Temporal Distortion

2 SELF - - Round -
For one round models in Haley's unit gain +2 DEF. Also, while within 5" of a Haley, friendly Cygnar models gain +2 DEF and enemy models suffer -2 DEF.

Feat: Arcane Singularity

Each version of Haley gets +2 FOCUS and immediately gains 2 focus.

Haley Past

Haley Past
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Understanding
the Statblock

Past Abilities

  • Incorporeal - This model can walk through walls, terrain, models, and just about anything else. It can't be damaged except by things which have Damage Type: Magical. When it makes a melee or ranged attack it loses Incorporeal until its next activation.
  • Raw Talent - An extra dice on all damage rolls.
  • Time Projection - This model is like a mini-warcaster. It has a FOCUS stat, can buy/boost attacks, cast spells, and shares warjacks with Haley Prime.

Past Weapons

  • Telekinetic Strike - 2" reach, P+S 10 melee weapon.

Past Spells

COST RNG AOE POW DUR OFF


Chain Blast

3 10 3 12 - Yes
After determining the point of impact, a second 3" deviates from that point. Models in the second AOE are hit and suffer a POW 6 blast damage roll.
Force Hammer

4 10 - 12 - Yes
Instead of suffering a normal damage roll, a non-incorporeal model Force Hammer hits is slammed d6" directly away from the spell's point of origin and suffers a POW 12 damage roll. Collateral damage from this slam, if any, is POW 12.

Haley Future

Haley Future
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Understanding
the Statblock

Future Abilities

  • Incorporeal - This model can walk through walls, terrain, models, and just about anything else. It can't be damaged except by things which have Damage Type: Magical. When it makes a melee or ranged attack it loses Incorporeal until its next activation.
  • Gunfighter - This model can use its ranged weapon(s) even while in melee, but with limitations. Click the link for the full rule.
  • Granted: True Sight - While this model is in formation, models in its unit gain True Sight. (True Sight - This model ignores cloud effects when determining LOS. This model also ignores Stealth.)
  • Time Projection - This model is like a mini-warcaster. It has a FOCUS stat, can buy/boost attacks, cast spells, and shares warjacks with Haley Prime.

Future Weapons

  • Phase Bolt - 10" range, POW 13 gun
    • Damage Type: Magical - This weapon deals Magical damage.
    • Reload [2] - This model can spend focus to make up to 2 additional ranged attack(s) with this weapon during its Combat Action. It can make one additional attack for each focus spent.

Future Spells

COST RNG AOE POW DUR OFF


Ghost Walk

2 6 - - Turn -
Target friendly Faction model/unit gains Ghostly for one turn.
Ghostly - This model can advance through terrain and obstacles without penalty and can advance through obstructions if it has enough movement to move completely past them. It cannot be targeted by free strikes.
Revive

3 Control - - - -
Return to Play one destroyed friendly Faction Grunt model with one unmarked damage box. Place the returned Grunt in the caster's control range, in formation, and completely within 3" of another model in its unit. The Grunt must forfeit its Combat Action the turn it is put into play.

Theme Forces

Thoughts on Haley3

Haley3 in a Nutshell

Haley3 has the tools to enable a player to play any (or all) of the three major styles of play: assassination, attrition, and control. Attrition is quite possibly Haley3’s strongest role, which can be exploited a number of ways through different model/unit synergies, whether giving a unit high DEF, bringing multi-wound cavalry back into play, or a combination of both. Assassination is mostly in the hands of Haley Past and her Raw Talent ability, which benefits not only her two ranged magical spells, but also her melee attacks. Haley Future’s ranged (with gunfighter) ability to hit opponents with three phase bolts is nothing to sneeze at either. The Control element of the game lies (mostly) in the hands of present day Haley, dominating enemy warjacks, repudiating enemy spells, and aiding friendlies with extra movement through tactical supremacy.

Feat thoughts

Only use the feat if you've got all 3 Haleys in play. It increases your control range, the accuracy of your offensive spells, and the quantity of spells you can cast.

Spell thoughts

  • Temporal Distortion should be cast every turn, and the Haleys spread out to affect as much of your army as possible.
  • Tactical Supremacy is normally cast on Trencher Infantry allowing them to place smoke clouds then reposition behind the cloud.
  • Ghost Walk can be used several different ways:
    • Disengage a model or unit that wants to shoot (or you want to shoot the model that is engaging it).
    • Sneak Haley Past (or any other model) through enemy lines to assassinate or kill a key target if free strikes from magic weapons would be an issue.
    • Negate anti-Pathfinder rules. Since Ghostly ignores terrain but isn't Pathfinder, you can get around effects such as Baldur1's feat.

Drawbacks & Downsides

  • The projections are short on focus when it isn't feat turn.
  • Getting your Haleys up the board and into effective positions is a hair pulling exercise.
    • Putting Baby Haley and Grandma Haley on the board ASAP is a must, but when they're put on the board they cannot activate and run to an effective position, so until the subsequent turn your ghost buddies from the past and future are stuck within two inches of your primary warcaster.
  • This unit is so complicated and does so many different things, it can often lead to decision paralysis. They are one of the game's most challenging warcasters to play, and require a ton of practice to handle effectively. This is often referred to as having "a high floor".
  • Even when the time echoes aren't in play, Haley Prime is still a unit. So she can be affected by anti-unit stuff like Rebuke, or that guy who says "No, your Haley can't declare a charge because she has already cast a spell. You should have issued the Press Forward order before casting a spell."

Tips & Tricks

  • Incorporeal models can be incredibly difficult to remove from zones, especially when they have DEF 18.
  • Since the projections are trooper models and not warcasters:
    • they can contest scenarios (unlike Present Haley).
    • all of the "non-warcaster, non-warlock model" effects in the game will work on them.
  • Remember that Reiteration does not require the spell to be cast successfully or hit, only that the model casts it through spending focus.

List Building Advice

Strategy

Assassination can be very situational for Haley3 and requires the usual support, however, playing the attrition/control game with Haley3 has many builds. Ghost Walking units through obnoxious terrain while simultaneously gaining immunity to free strikes opens up a ridiculous amount of the board.

Theme Thoughts

Gravediggers
Haley3 is normally seen in Gravediggers, because a unit of Trenchers with Tactical Supremacy on them can lay down a cloud wall then back out of it. That, plus most of the army being affected by Termporal Distortion, presents a tough nut for your opponent to crack.

  • The Grenadier can be a highly effective choice.
    • With a lot of Focus around, you can fully fuel more than one of them.
    • You're typically taking at least one unit of Trenchers in her army.
    • If you can apply Temporal Distortion, multiple boosted POW13 damage rolls really take their toll on hard targets reliably.
    • Dug in, with Temporal Distortion affecting the Grenadier, they're a DEF20 warjack against ranged and magic attacks.

Storm Division

  • Nearly any warjack in Jakes1 battlegroup that is benefiting from both Jake's spell "sidekick" and Temporal Distortion will become a nuisance to hit (melee or ranged).
  • Storm Lances are fun to revive.

Sons of the Tempest

Heavy Metal

  • Jakes1, mentioned above, can also go in this theme.
  • Sword Knights can be an obnoxious unit for an enemy without AOEs or electro-leaps to wade through. Sword Knights are especially formidable when they’re benefiting from multiple DEF bonuses; Hanging out in a Temporal Distortion bubble can stack with Sword Knight’s innate Defensive Line ability.

Mercenaries
Mercenary units

  • Aiyana and Holt are worth a look as your Mercenary unit choice for Kiss of Lyliss.
    • Despite all of her tools, Haley3 has no way to increase the damage output of her army.
  • Alexia1 offers some vicious recursion play.
    • Your infantry model dies and Alexia claims the corpse.
      • Alexia turns the corpse token into a Risen.
      • Haley Future then Revives the model that died.
      • Add in a Trencher Blockhouse (if you're in Gravediggers) to really rub it in with its reinforcements (although you can't reinforce and revive the same model).

Mercenary solos

  • Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord's dirge of mists, stacking with Haley's temporal bubble can make things simply not worth shooting.
  • Do you want to make Haley's unit really aggravating for your opponent? Top off Temporal Distortion and Dirge of Mists with Arcane Shield from the Journeyman Warcaster.
    • DEF20, ARM17 with the option to reduce the damage with Focus...and your opponent has to do it with magical weapons if they want rid of the echoes.
  • Ragman is another way to alleviate Haley's damage-dealing problems.

Battlegroup

  • Thorn is Haley's character warjack, and available to Haley in any Theme Force. However, Haley Past and Haley Future do not benefit from Haley's Bond, nor can they trigger the Reaction Drive ability, when channeling spells through Thorn. Thorn is a powerful piece, but Haley 3 does not necessarily need to bring him.
  • Though Thorn usually fills the roll of Arc-Node for Haley3, don’t forget about the Lancer in your more economical games (or if you just want to sling more spells on more parts of the board), and the Hurricane for when you want to sling spells but also bring some serious hitting power.
  • Thorn and an Ironclad will use up all of Haley3’s jack points.
  • But if you’re feeling a little short for focus due to all the fun spells Haley3 and her different iterations can cast, and Arlan can only empower so many jacks per turn, consider jacks with accumulator, like the Stormclad.
  • If you want her to run a Gravediggers army, consider 2-3 Grenadiers (as above).

Other

Trivia

  • Released in Warmachine: Reckoning (2015.06)
  • Haley3 is sometimes known as Hal3y, 3Haleys, or Haley Prime.

Other Cygnar models

Cygnar Logo.jpg       Cygnar Index       (Edit)            
Battlegroup & Similar
Warcasters Caine1 - Caine2 - Caine3 - Constance - Darius - Haley1 - Haley2 - Haley3 - Jakes2 - Kraye - Maddox - Nemo1 - Nemo2 - Nemo3 - Sloan - Stryker1 - Stryker2 - Stryker3 - Siege1 - Siege2 - Sturgis1
Warcaster attachments Squire (Cygnar) - Madelyn Corbeau (Merc) - Reinholdt (Merc) - Wyshnalyrr (Merc)
Other Warjack Controllers

"Junior" Warcasters: Caine0 - Jakes1 - Journeyman - T. Warcaster Lieutenant
'Jack Marshals: Runewood - Strangewayes - Anson Hitch - Stormblade Captain - T. Master Gunner - Gun Mage CA - Stormblade CA - Sword Knights CA

Light Charger - Firefly - Grenadier - Hunter - Lancer - Minuteman - Sentinel
Ace - Thorn
Heavy Avenger - Centurion - Cyclone - Defender - Hammersmith - Ironclad - Reliant - Stormclad
Brickhouse - Dynamo - Gallant - Ol' Rowdy - Thunderhead - Triumph
Colossal Stormwall - Hurricane
Units, Solos, Battle Engines, & Structures
Units

Arcane Tempest Gun Mages - Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team - Field Mechaniks - Legion of Lost Souls - Long Gunner Infantry - OoI Resolutes - OoI Vigilants - Precursor Knights - Rangers - Silver Line Stormguard - Storm Lances - Stormblades - Stormguard - Stormsmith Grenadiers - Storm Tower - Sword Knights - Tempest Blazers - Tr Cannon Crew - Tr Chain Gun Crew - Tr Commandos - Tr Express Team - Tr Long Gunners - Tr Infantry - Tr Mechaniks
Special CA : Captain Jonas Murdoch (Mercenary unit) - Special WA: Morrowan Battle Priest (any unit)

Solos

Arcane Tempest Rifleman - Archduke Runewood - Captain Arlan Strangewayes - Captain Maxwell Finn - Commander Anson Hitch - Grand Master Gabriel Throne - Glyn Cormier, Illuminated One - Gun Mage Captain Adept - Journeyman Lieutenant Allister Caine - Journeyman Warcaster - Harlan Versh, Illuminated One - Lieutenant Allison Jakes - Lieutenant Bastian Falk - Lieutenant Gwen Keller - Major Katherine Laddermore - Major Harrison Gibbs - Squire - Stormblade Captain - Stormcallers - Tr Buster - Tr Master Gunner - Tr Patrol Dog - Tr Warcaster Lieutenant - Viktor Pendrake

Battle Engines & Structures Storm Strider - Trencher Blockhouse
Theme Forces
Flame in the Darkness - Gravediggers - Heavy Metal - Sons of the Tempest - Storm Division
Mercenaries
Refer to Who Works for Whom and/or Category: Cygnar Mercenary
This index was last updated: 2019.04

Video Battle Reports

Rules Clarifications

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Rules Clarification : Haley3 & Thorn (Edit)

  • When Thorn is taken in Haley3's battlegroup, then the Time Echoes can channel through Thorn, but:
    • They don't trigger Reaction Drive (because they are not a battlegroup controller, let alone Thorn's controller)
    • They don't benefit from Thorn's bond. (Infernal Ruling)

Prime

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Rules Clarification:  : Magical Damage      (Edit)
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* The "Damage Type: Magical" is not inherited by "secondary" damage from a weapon. That is, stuff like arcs (Electro Leap) or hazards (Scather). (Infernal Ruling)
  • All spells have "Damage Type: Magical" (refer errata).
    • This is inherited by "immediate" secondary damage (such as Eruption of Spines). (Infernal Ruling)
    • and might be inherited by "lingering" secondary damage (see below).
  • If a spell leaves a template in play that does damage to models that walk around in it, then:
    • if it is not described as a hazard it will do magical damage to models that walk around in it. (Example: Razor Wall)
    • if it is a hazard then it will not do magical damage to models that walk around in it. Instead, it does whatever damage type is specified by the spell description. (Example: Breath of Corruption).
    • (Infernal Ruling)
  • If a weapon/spell includes Magic Damage and another kind of elemental damage it will still damage Incorporeal models. Incorporeal models are not affected by the rule "if an attack does multiple types of damage and a model is immune to at least one it is immune to the entire attack."
    The phrase "immune to non-magical damage" should be interpreted as "immune to damage that doesn't include Damage Type: Magical" (not interpreted as "has immunity to Corrosion and Electricity and Cold and etc.")
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Rules Clarification : Unit of Warcasters or Warlocks     (Edit)

  • Even though they're warcasters, if they're out of formation they suffer the normal penalties (can't make attacks, actions, spells, etc).
  • They can't upkeep each other's spells.
  • They can only dominate one SteamRoller scenario element at a time.
  • Each warlock/warcaster can have different upkeeps on them if those upkeeps are "target SELF" or "target model". If you cast an upkeep that is "target model/unit", that is the only upkeep any of them can have.
  • Units Buying Attacks (Edit)
    • If you make attacks with model [A], then start making attacks with model [B], you cannot 'go back' and buy more attacks with [A]. Because:
    • A model can only buy additional attacks during its Combat Action.
    • A model in a unit must complete its Combat Action before the next model starts theirs (with some exceptions, like CMA).
  • The Legion Twins
    • Rhyas cannot dominate a zone while out of formation.
    • Rhyas can use the feat while out of formation.
  • Haley3
    • Only Haley Prime is an 'actual' warcaster model, and as such she is the only one that can dominate a scenario element.
    • The echoes can Control/Contest scenarios like a normal unit.
    • Haley Prime can dominate an element even if the echoes are out of formation.

Rules Clarification : Reiteration - None yet. (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Time Walker      (Edit)

  • Because they don't activate the turn they arrive, they can't benefit from end-of-activation triggers (such as Reposition from Prime's Tactical Supremacy spell). (Staff Ruling)
  • The Echoes that are created are added, not returned. This means you can put them back into play even if they're RFP'd or currently under the control of your opponent.
  • In a Haley3 vs Haley3 match, both players can yawn. I mean, both can have Echoes in play at the same time.
  • You have to choose whether to keep the Echoes around before paying for upkeeps and/or allocating focus.

Rules Clarification : Set Defense - None yet. (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Domination      (Edit)

Taking Control of an Enemy Model   [Show/Hide]
  • General
  • Taking control of a model means it is now friendly to you, and will immediately be engaged by it's erstwhile allies.
    • This will limit your ability to make ranged attacks.
    • If you get to make an advance with the controlled model, this can allow the original owner to take free strikes against his own model. He doesn't have to take these, of course.
  • The controlled model does not have a proper Activation, so stuff like Chain Strike won't apply.
  • You can use abilities on the controlled model, as long as they're not restricted to "during its activation" or "during its Combat Action". For example, you can use Mental Force. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Buffs and effects:
    • The controlled model counts as a "friendly model" and will benefit from any buffs that your own models are handing out (such as Mark Target), (assuming the controlled model meets the criteria for the buff).
    • If your opponent is the same faction, then the controlled model will count as a "friendly faction model" and even more buffs are potentially available (such as Veteran Leader).
    • If you have an ability that is "take control of an enemy then make an attack", and that model has an ability that triggers after making an attack (such as Death Toll), then (most) such abilities won't work. Because you must recheck the trigger conditions for Death Toll at the time of resolving it, and the friendly/enemy criteria are no longer valid.
  • Theme abilities:
    • If a model gains an ability via a Theme Force rule, and then the opponent takes it over, it keeps the theme ability. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Movement
  • You can advance a model into an area and force them to take damage (like an acid cloud, or a Razor Wall template), but they only take damage once per advance (ref Prime rulebook pg 65). Thus you cannot keep moving them micro-millimetres in and out of said area to inflict infinite damage.
  • The model is friendly while under your control, so you can't force free strikes by walking it past your own models. You can, however, walk it past your opponent's models and politely ask if they want to take free strikes against their own model.
  • Melee Attacks
  • Models with the Gunfighter advantage can make attacks as they normally would if the ability controlling them allows for basic attacks (e.g., Influence). Note that other "take control" abilities only allow for melee attacks, such as Seduction and Bone Shaker (Gunfighter attacks are ranged attacks).
  • Point Blank attacks cannot be made with temporarily controlled models, as Point Blank is only allowed 'during activation.'
  • Controlled models do not receive back strike bonuses, because you can only get that bonus during your normal activation.
  • With reference to the attack sequence (appendix A) your control of the model doesn't expire until after Step 14. So you can potentially trigger abilities like Snacking (Step 11.4).
    • As long as it's not limited to "during combat action" or "during activation".
  • Destroying the Controlled model
    If the model is destroyed or RFP'd while under your control (for instance you walked it into a hazard), this has two consequences:
  1. It is considered to be under your control at the moment it is taken off the table:
    • Your opponent can't reave fury off a warbeast destroyed this way, because it is an enemy warbeast when it is taken off the table.
    • Your opponent can't trigger stuff that depends on a "Friendly model" being destroyed (such as Righteous Vengeance).
    • You can't trigger stuff that depends on an "Enemy model" being destroyed (such as Cull Soul).
  2. It returns to the original owner once it's off the table:
    • Your opponent can use Spirit Bond to get fury from the dead warbeast.
    • Your opponent can use Return To Play abilities to get it back on the table (assuming it wasn't RFP'd).
  • Taking control of an enemy Trooper (member of a unit)
  • A trooper you take control of becomes an independent model. Thus:
    • It will not benefit from any bonuses that it gets from its comrades (such as Gang, Shield Wall, etc).
    • It will not benefit from any bonuses that rely on the trooper being "in formation" (such as Granted and Tactics abilities).
    • Spells on a unit are considered to be on the "unit", not on the "models that make up the unit". So a controlled trooper will not benefit from any spells on the unit.
    • If you take control of the last survivor of a unit then the "unit" ceases to exist for the duration of the control. This means that any spells on the "unit" will expire. Woo, free dispel!
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Rules Clarification : Repudiate      (Edit)

  • The anti-spell part functions the same as Dispel, so see below.
  • The damage caused to the caster is considered to be from an attack, so will trigger stuff like Might of Kings.
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Rules Clarification : Dispel      (Edit)

  • Dispel can't be used versus upkeeps that are not "on" a model/unit (such as Rock Wall, Void Gate, etc), because you can't "hit" them.
  • Because Dispel causes spells to expire on a hit, it will prevent spells that trigger on a hit from triggering at all.
    • For instance, the defensive animus Spiny Growth causes any model that hits the target to suffer d3 damage. This damage will not occur if it's hit by a Dispel weapon.
  • Anti-Upkeep vs a unit (Edit)
    • If an upkeep is on a unit, then all you need to do is make it expire off any member of the unit and the spell will expire from the entire unit.
    • It doesn't matter if the target is in formation or not. (Locked thread)
    • However, if an upkeep is on a single model within a unit (such as Scything Touch) then you need to dispel it off that particular model to make it dispel. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Tactical Supremacy      (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Reposition      (Edit)

  • Models out of formation cannot move via Reposition. Refer to the "Out of Formation" rules in the core rulebook.
  • You cannot trigger abilities that occur "at the end of activation" (such as Sprint) after resolving Reposition, because your activation has ended. (Infernal Ruling) See also this article for a detailed explanation.
  • You cannot trigger abilities that occur "at any time" (such as Go To Ground) during a Reposition. Because you can't trigger it while moving, and after moving your activation has ended. (Infernal Ruling)
    • This holds true even if it's a unit with multiple Reposition moves. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Temporal Distortion spell      (Edit)

  • Temporal Distortion does not stack with itself. A model will only gain +2 DEF from the spell. (Infernal Ruling)

Past

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Rules Clarification:  : Incorporeal      (Edit)
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Damage & Debuffs
  • All spells do magical damage. Refer to the latest errata.
  • If a weapon or spell does multiple types of damage (such as Chain Lightning doing Electricity damage), then you'll still be hurt by the spell. "Incorporeal" is not the same as "has immunity to all damage types". (Infernal Ruling)
  • "Mundane" weapons can still apply debuffs to Incorporeal models, even though they can't damage them. For instance, an Ironclad could hit an Incorporeal model with a Tremor Attack and knock the incorporeal model down; Small-based Incorporeal models can be Consumeed, etc. (Infernal Ruling)

Incorporeal models moving

  • If an incorporeal model declares a charge, then they stay incorporeal until they actually make an attack. So, for example:
    • If they're Countercharged after finishing their own charge movement, they will be Incorporeal while resolving the Countercharge attack.
    • If they fail the charge, they will stay Incorporeal.
  • Entering hazards: "Enters or ends its activation" can only be triggered once each turn.
    • If the Incorporeal model begins its activation outside the hazard, moves into the hazard and loses Incorporeal, it would not take any damage from ending its activation in the hazard.
    • If the Incorporeal model begins its activation inside the hazard, stays inside the hazard, and loses Incorporeal, it would take damage from ending its activation in the hazard.
    • (Infernal Ruling)
  • Charging through models (Edit)
    • You can't charge all the way through your charge target, with the intention to turn around and face them once you're on the other side.
      • Because you aren't able to satisfy the "must keep the charge target in melee range" clause at the point after you are through the model but before you turn to directly face. At that point the target is behind you, not in your front arc, and thus not in your melee range.
      • Your melee range only extends to your front arc. Refer to the latest errata.
    • You can still "skim" through the edge of their base, if you're careful and smart with your positioning.

Moving through an Incorporeal model

  • A model that is pushed into an Incorporeal model will go all the way through, only if the push is large enough to get all the through. If the push is too short, the moving model will "bounce back" to where they first started overlapping the incorporeal model. (Infernal Ruling)
  • The core rules that allows models to be pushed through the Incorporeal model will override any ability/spell that uses the phrase "is pushed until it contacts a model" (such as Grip, Drag, and Catch). (Infernal Ruling)
  • A model that is thrown or slammed into an Incorporeal model will end in the normal spot, and the Incorporeal model is repositioned as per the 'Rule of Least Disturbance'.
    • If the Incorporeal model cannot be moved (ie it's a Wraith Engine), then the moving model is repositioned as per the 'Rule of Least Disturbance'.

Other

  • Incorporeal models can engage enemy models. They can't make free strikes or bodyblock enemies, but they do prevent enemy models making ranged attacks, and everyone gets the 'Target in Melee' bonus.
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Rules Clarification : Raw Talent      (Edit)

  • This is an additional die, which means the roll may be boosted, and charge attacks will boost the roll as well.
  • This includes melee, ranged, magic, blast rolls but not collateral as they do not come from the model.
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Rules Clarification : Time Projection      (Edit)

  • The Echoes are not warcasters, so don't benefit from a Squire, can't dominate Steamroller objectives, etc.
  • Haley Past and Haley Future do not gain the benefit of the bond from Thorn. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Chain Blast      (Edit)

  • For direction, you orientate the second AOE so it points in the exact same direction as the first one.
  • Regardless of distance between the caster and the original target, the second AOE deviates the full distance you roll on the die.
  • The second AOE does magical blast damage, given that it is caused by a spell.
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Rules Clarification : Force Hammer and/or Thunder Strike     (Edit)

  • An Incorporeal model will be damaged by this spell, but not slammed.
  • The slam distance for the spell is not halved vs larger models - that only applies to a Slam Power Attack.
  • See also the rules clarifications on slamming.

Future

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Rules Clarification : Reload      (Edit)

  • You can use Reload to make additional attacks after a Special Ranged Attack. (Infernal Ruling)
  • If you have (x2) of a weapon with Reload (such as Caine1), the special rule will only be written on the card once. But you can reload both weapons to the max limit. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification:  : Gunfighter      (Edit)
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General
  • You cannot Aim if you start your activation in melee. (Infernal Confirmation)
  • A free strike with a ranged weapon still gets the +2 to hit and boosted damage (I'm pretty sure - I'd like to double check it though).

Targeting

  1. Outside of melee
    • If the Gunfighter isn't in melee, and didn't charge this turn, then it shoots just the same as a normal model.
  2. In melee, but didn't charge
    • If it didn't charge, it can target anyone it's "in melee" with.
    • This can be any model in the Gunfighter's melee range, plus any models that have the Gunfighter in their melee range.
    • If a Gunfighter kills all the enemies it is in melee with, and still has the ability to make more ranged attacks, then those attacks just follow the normal Ranged Attack rules. (Infernal Ruling)
  3. Charged into melee
    • If it did charge, its initial attacks can only target models that are in the Gunfighter's melee range.
    • If all models in the Gunfighter's melee range are killed before it makes its initial attacks, it loses any unspent initial attacks. (Infernal Ruling)
    • However if it can purchase additional attacks (via Reload for instance) and/or get free attacks (via Black Spot for instance), then those non-initial attacks can target anyone it's "in melee" with, as per #2 above.
  4. Other targeting notes
    • Remember, you can never be "in melee" with a friendly model, so a Gunfighter can pretty much never choose to target a friend while it's in melee (although it may hit one accidentally, see "Missing" below).
    • If the gunfighter is unengaged, it can still shoot a friendly model, which would just be a normal ranged attack.
    • Gunfighter doesn't change the RNG of your gun, it just provides you an ability to use it while in melee and imposes some targeting restrictions.
      • If you're affected by a debuff that reduces your RNG to 1", that will further limit who you can target.
      • If you're affected by a debuff that reduces your RNG to 0", you cannot make attacks (refer 'Weapon Statistics', page 19 of rulebook).

Attack Roll

  • You use the Gunfighter's RAT for the attack roll.
  • Gunfighters do not ignore the Cover/Concealment bonus. (Infernal Ruling)
  • How the +4 DEF bonus for "being in melee" works with Gunfighters is:
    • they always ignore it vs enemies, because the "point of origin of the attack is in melee with the target".
    • they never ignore it vs friendlies, because you cannot be in melee with a friendly target.
  • Obviously, if the Gunfighter isn't actually in melee with the enemy target, then the Gunfighter rules don't apply. So they do get the +4 DEF bonus as if it were a normal ranged attack (because it is).

Missing the Attack Roll

  • If you miss the attack roll then you need to randomly reassign the shot just like you would with a normal ranged attack shooting someone in melee. Because nothing in the Gunfighter rules say you ignore this part of the "Targeting a Model in Melee" (TMM) rules.
    • Do not include the Gunfighter model itself in potential 'randomees' (because you can't target yourself, as per the 4th paragraph of TMM) (Locked thread)
    • but do include models the Gunfighter is in melee with, and any friendly models that are in melee with them (as per the TMM rules).

Incorporeal Gunfighters

  • Note that enemy models without magic weapons can't hurt you in melee, but they can engage you.
  • Once they do that you're in melee and your target selection is limited to just models in melee (as explained above).

Gunfighter + an AOE weapon

  • If you miss then the AOE will deviate as per the normal AOE rules. Not very far, though, considering the max distance you'll be apart is 2".
  • If you use an AOE weapon to make a free strike, you get the +2 to hit and you get boosted damage against everything under the blast template.

Gunfighter + a spray weapon

  • Who you can target with the spray is limited as described above, but you get to put the whole spray template down and potentially hit models well outside the melee.
  • If you use a spray weapon to make a free strike, you get the +2 to hit and you get boosted damage against everything under the spray template.

Units of Gunfighters

  • If a unit of Gunfighters successfully charge, but someone else in their unit kills their charge target before they get a turn to attack, then they may redirect their attack.
  • Redirected attack:
    • If they're still engaged, their initial attack (s) must be vs someone in their melee range.
    • If they're still engaged, but no one is in their own melee range, they don't get any initial attacks.
    • If they're unengaged, they are now free to shoot anyone within the gun's normal range.

Other interactions

  • Gunfighter vs Point Blank (Edit)
    • If a model has both Gunfighter and Point Blank, then you should declare whether you're using it as a ranged attack or melee attack whenever you shoot the gun. Because that can limit what other initial/additional attacks you can make. (Infernal Ruling)
    • These two abilities are subtly different, but it's an important difference.
    • Gunfighter allows you to make ranged attacks while in melee.
    • Point blank allows you to make melee attacks with your ranged weapon.
      • Since you can't make both ranged and melee attacks in the same turn, a Gunfighter model has a choice of either initial melee attack(s) or initial ranged attack(s). (unless it has Virtuoso or something).
      • Whereas a Point Blank model chooses to make initial melee attacks, and then gets to make attacks with both weapons.
    • Furthermore, the types of bonuses, penalties, and special effects you (or your opponent) can trigger will change dramatically:
      • Any buffs/triggers on ranged attacks (such as Evasive, Shield Guard, Deadeye, etc) will affect Gunfighter attacks, but not Point Blank attacks.
      • Any buffs/triggers on melee attacks (such as Battle Lust, Riposte etc) will affect Point Blank attacks, but not Gunfighter attacks.
  • Gunfighter & Cavalry ( Edit )
    • A cavalry model that charges then makes a Gunfighter attack will not gain a boosted charge attack roll, because a ranged attack is not a charge attack. (Infernal Ruling)
    • You also won't gain a boosted charge damage roll, as per normal for a Gunfighter.
  • Gunfighter vs RNG modifiers (Edit)
    • Unlike what most people might tell you, Gunfighter doesn't have a "range", it just lets the model make ranged attacks while in melee. The gun's actual RNG is unaffected though, until you put something like Windstorm (-5 RNG) on it. Then what happens is:
    1. If the gun is RNG 7, Windstorm will reduce it to 2". Thus it won't affect any Gunfighter attacks.
    2. If the gun is RNG 6, Windstorm will reduce it to 1". Thus you can only make Gunfighter attacks vs models within 1" (if you can - charging Gunfighters may be more limited).
    3. If the gun is RNG 5, Windstorm will reduce it to 0". Thus you can't make any attacks as per 'Weapon Statistics' (page 19 of the core rulebook).
    (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Tactics vs Granted     (Edit)

  • Granted = The unit loses the ability as soon as the model that grants it is taken off the table.
  • Tactics = The unit keeps the ability for the entire game, regardless of who dies.
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Rules Clarification : True Sight      (Edit)

  • You only ignore clouds for LOS. Models can still get the concealment bonus, trigger Prowl, etc from clouds. (Infernal Ruling)
  • A model that ignores Stealth must ignore both aspects: both (1) the auto-missing, and (2) the 'not counting as an intervening model' parts.
    • This can have some strange interactions with casters & channelers, if one has True Sight and one does not. There are examples on the Category:Channeler page.
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Rules Clarification : Ghost Walk      (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Ghostly      (Edit)

  • Ghostly doesn't let you move through other models, just terrain.
  • Ghostly doesn't let you ignore damage from hazardous terrain. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Revive and/or Raise the Dead and/or Mockery of Life     (Edit)

  • These spells can be used on models with Spell Ward etc, because it doesn't actually 'target' anybody.

Return to Play - Other Units (Edit)

  • "Return" is quite simple if you only return models to your own unit (like Blood-Bound) or only return independent models (like Thagrosh1's feat). But if you're returning models to other units, then click to read more.   [Show/Hide]
    • If you can return multiple troopers at once, they don't all have to be the same unit. Spread the love around.
    • Troopers must return to their original unit. Even if you have two units of the same type (such as two units of Convergence Eradicators) then you can't have 4 die from unit [A] and return them all to unit [B].
    • If your rule is something like "return d3 models to units within CMD range" (Old Witch3) then it is d3 models total, not d3 models to each and every unit.
    • If your rule is something like "spend 1 soul to return 1 Grunt" (Enigma Foundry) then it doesn't matter where the souls came from originally. Think of them like currency, in this case.
    • Troopers are placed sequentially, and you can leap frog the "within 3" of another model in its unit" requirement.
    • You can Return models even after a unit is reduced to just Attachments (Weapon or Command)
      • If your Return ability lets you return a Leader or Officer model, then they will immediately become the unit commander and redefine the "in formation" bubble.
      • If your Return ability only allows Grunts, then the Grunt will not be field promoted when he arrives.
        This means that, in the unusual scenario where the Leader model has different wargear to the Grunts (such as Cygnar Stormguard), then that wargear is effectively 'lost'.


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