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Hollowmen
Grymkin Unit

Cowards who flee their posts in war their comrades do betray. Lured by golden lantern light, they die while off astray.

Deserters often follow the alluring glow of a strange lantern as they stumble through the dark—and perish. They rise again as empty husks, stripped of hate and fear. Now they bear rifles and march beneath that lantern in the ranks of the Hollowmen.

Lantern Man - Command Attachment

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Holden - Character Weapon Attachment

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Basic Info[edit]

Hollowmen
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CMD 7
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COST 8 / 13 +3CA +4WA
1.3 each (min)
1.7 each (max)
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Understanding
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Weapons[edit]

Leader & Grunts

  • Military Rifle - 10" range, POW 11 gun
  • Bayonet - 1" reach, P+S 9 melee weapon
    • Brutal Charge - This model gains +2 damage on charge attacks with this weapon.

Lantern Man

  • Unarmed - This model has no weapons.

Holden

  • Hunting Rifle - 14" range, POW 10 attack
  • Trench Knife - 0.5" reach, P+S 9 melee attack.

Abilities[edit]

Entire Unit

  • Eyeless Sight - This model 1) ignores cloud effects when determining LOS, 2) always ignores concealment and Stealth, and 3) never suffers Blind.
  • Apparition - During your Control Phase, place this model anywhere completely within 2" of it's current location.

Leader & Grunts only

  • Combined Ranged Attack - This unit can combine their ranged attacks to get a cumulative +1 bonus on accuracy and damage for each model involved.

Lantern Man only

  • He has 5 hitpoints, but otherwise the exact same stats.
  • Officer - This model is the unit commander even if the unit has a Leader model.
  • Granted: Blood-Bound - While this model is in formation, models in its unit gain Blood-Bound. (Blood-Bound - When a model with Blood-Bound destroys a living enemy model with an attack, after the attack is resolved you can return to play one destroyed model in its unit. Place the returned model completely within 3" of the attacking model. The returned model cannot activate the turn it returns to play. The destroyed enemy model is removed from play and does not provide a soul or corpse token.)
  • Magic Ability [ 6 ] - This model can use its Combat Action to cast a single spell.
    • Ghost Light (★ Attack) - 10" Range, no damage magic attack.
      On a hit on a non-warcaster/warlock warrior model, you can immediately advance the target up to 3" ignoring free strikes. A model can only move once as a result of Ghost Light.
    • Obscuring Mist (★ Action) - Models in this unit gain concealment for one round. Models are not affected while out of formation.

Holden only

  • He has +1 DEF, +2 RAT, and 5 hitpoints
  • Annoyance - Living enemy models within 1" of this model suffer -1 to attack rolls.
  • Granted: Pathfinder - While this model is in formation, models in its unit gain Pathfinder.
  • Poisoned Fate - If Holden is in play during your Maintenance Phase roll a d6 (or flip a coin). On a roll of 1-3 (heads) this unit of Hollowmen gains Reposition [3"] this turn. On a roll of 4-6 (tails), Holden's weapons gain Weaken this turn. (Reposition [3"] - At the end of an activation in which it did not run or fail a charge, this model can advance up to 3", then its activation ends.) (Weaken - A living model hit by this weapon suffers -2 STR and DEF for one round.)
  • Prowl - While this model has concealment, it gains stealth.
  • Sniper - Instead of making a damage roll to resolve a ranged attack, this model can choose to auto-inflict 1 point of damage instead. Either way, models disabled by a ranged attack made by this model cannot make a Tough check.

Recent Changes[edit]

2018.06 - Hollow Holden released as a new model


Thoughts on Hollowmen[edit]

Holden, Weapon Attachment

Hollowmen in a nutshell[edit]

Hollowmen are a versatile multi-tool available to the Grymkin Bump in the Night theme. While on paper they appear to be a poor man's Trencher Infantry they have some very compelling and unique tech. They have a recursion angle, and Eyeless Sight, a very powerful rule for an infantry unit. Notably, Hollowmen are the Grymkin's only ranged unit.

Hollowmen are great as a jack of all trades unit, as stated above. When you're deciding how to fill out your Bump in the Night army you may have some specific match ups in mind, or you may not. Hollowmen will never dish out the melee punishment of Dread Rots for example. What they bring is something unique for Grymkin, a ranged unit. They also fight in melee okay.

Essentially - bring them as Generalist troops who can tackle a variety of problems, have easy synergies with casters, and who can put pressure on the enemy. Nothing forces an opponent to play honest like ten eyeless sight guns.

Thoughts on the Attachments[edit]

Lantern Man (CA)
The lantern man brings the cost of the Hollowmen unit from sheer chaff (1.3pt/model) up to a roughly elite unit's cost (1.6pt/model). For this, he offers essentially no increase in offensive ability, no mini feat, no threat range extension. So, why would you bring him?

  1. He provides RFP on the guns and melee of the Hollowmen unit. Ranged RFP is exceptionally rare in the game, and the hollowmen are one of the best sources of it anywhere. It also is one of the "True" Remove from Play effects in Grymkin that denies souls, unlike the RFP on the heavies. Remove from Play is very powerful as an effect to have against the right armies.
  2. He brings concealment to the unit - this takes their terrible statline and makes it so its sometimes decent against enemy ranged attacks. This is of course, assuming your opponent has no sprays, and their ranged force doesnt ignore concealment.
  3. He adds an additional defensive element to the unit - Recursion. Bloodbound is a very powerful recursion mechanic that actively punishes your opponent for running many troops that are killed easily by Hollowmen. If you are returning Hollowmen with this effect you will find the unit becomes hardier and more resiliant in an unconventional way.

Essentially the things to look out for is if your opponents are going to be running living armies (ie - NOT warjack heavy, undead heavy etc), and to consider if you need remove from play. If the answer to both of these is "No" then you should leave the lantern man at home. Do not treat him like an auto include, and do not netdeck him into your lists. He requires a very specific consideration of the match ups you'll face and the meta you play in.

Holden (WA)

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Recent Release
This model/theme has only recently been released, and the content in the "Thoughts On" section is based more on theory-machine than actual gameplay experience.

Feel free to remove this warning if you, personally, have a good level of gameplay experience with the model, have reviewed this article, and either you A) agree with the content 100% or B) for the parts you disagree with, you don't strongly disagree; and it's more a case of differing opinions between you and previous editors rather than incorrect content / bad advice.

Holden has fallen to the Grymkin at the Battle of Boars Gate! He has joined his fellow cowards and deserters with the Hollowmen. Holden before his turn was a marksman and a ranger. Holden provides hollowmen with some very powerful effects, so the question is, is Holden worth bringing? what he brings to the table is:

  • Pathfinder in Steamroller 2017/2018 is very powerful. Boards are becoming more and more terrain heavy and the flexibility of having one of your units essentially ignore the terrain, while simultaneously ignoring clouds, concealment of enemies in terrain etc is powerful
  • Holden's coin flip mechanic is both a reason to include him, and not to include him
    • Reposition 3 will always be extremely welcomed on Hollowmen. Its a powerful ability and you'll know if you have access to it long before you activate the hollowmen.
    • Weaken is... situationally useful at best. Sometimes it will be a benefit, like during an assassination, or gunning down a living warbeast. However the -STR part is not very useful for Bump in the Night
  • Holden is a powerful sniper in his own regard. RAT 7, long range, long threat eyeless sight makes him a terror for many solos and command attachments.
  • He synergises with the Lantern man, who provides him with stealth (through prowl) and bloodbound. Holden can be returned on full health from bloodbound as it has no restrictions regarding characters.

When evaluating Holden for 4pts, the role he plays as a deadly sniper who can provide grymkin with something they usually lack - a scalpel to pick out something important is very unique. The sniper rule means he'll also not randomly fail against a tough model too. He then provides his unit with a very powerful buff in Pathfinder. The poisoned fate at that point is effectively a "bonus" effect that can sometimes be very powerful. Holden pulls enough weight and is available as a theme freebie that he is quite worth it despite the randomness of his coin flip mechanic.

Essentially - take him to handle pathfinder, or if you feel like you play in situations where having a long range accurate eyeless sight sniper would solve problems.

Combos & Synergies[edit]

As a generalist infantry who slogs forward with a goal to face a wide variety of targets, both in melee and at range the Hollowmen have a surprising amount of synergy.

  • The Warlocks of Grymkin are almost all very happy to include Hollowmen in their army, and bring some kind of interesting benefit for them
    • The Heretic - will usually run two units of them, as his Trump arcana will benefit both their ranged and their melee abilities. He can also place Fury onto them to give them POW 14 charges which is high enough to allow hollowmen to chip down even khador heavies.
    • Old Witch 3 - Provides them with the best ranged protection in the faction with Windstorm. It can't be over stated how much Hollowmen appreciate this. Their defensive stats are very poor, and windstorm also protects them from blasts that would massacre them. She also can push their recursion even further with hellhole. Additionally, there is no penalty to the Hollowmen when she uses her gun at all, as Eyeless Sight allows them to essentially ignore concealment and the cloud effect. She can also fix their accuracy either through her gun or Scourge.
    • The King of Nothing - can cloud wall without them caring, as they can casually fire through it. Scything touch lets them deliver in melee in a similiar way to Heretic. King can buff their ranged attacks during assassination run too by using sands of fate to get close to the opposing caster.
    • The Dreamer - While not typically run in Bump, it should be noted she can use the little phantasm to apply mark target. She also provides cover for them with Artifice of Deviation. However keep in mind how rare it is to see Dreamer run in Bump, it is definitely a "snowflake" build.
  • Glimmer Imp - fixes their RAT and MAT against key targets.
  • Twilight Sisters - can return additional hollowmen to play when they don't have better options. Makes the amount of potential hollowmen recursion a little silly.

Drawbacks & Downsides[edit]

As a generalist infantry hollowmen are a jack of all trades, master of none unit. A standard melee unit hits harder and more accurately, a ranged unit will beat them in a fair gunfight. They are often ridiculed as the poor man's Trencher Infantry.

  • their accuracy is appalling in terms of Warmachine in 2018. Most armies have veteran leaders and other hit fixers, so rat 5 units are rarely truly rat 5. Hollowmen however are rat 5 and mat 5 and the main fixer for this is an expensive solo who dies in the process usually.
  • Their defensive stats are laughable. 12/12 is a statline that gets slaughtered by all but the weakest of attacks. Even the CA does not mitigate this much as concealment has many answers and does not work against melee.
  • Their recursion only works against living models - meaning against many lists they lose the ability entirely
  • Low range guns brings them into danger of retaliation against essentially most enemies except the slowest and most ponderous.
  • Dedicated anti shooting tech such as windstorm, swamp pit, Rask feat, artifice of deviation, dig in etc really hurts them as they gain value shooting primarily, even if they close to melee later. If they are forced to fight as a melee unit with no shooting element they will greatly disappoint you
  • While CRA is great, sometimes it can make them feel like they have a low output when your 10 man unit only makes five (better) attacks.

Tricks and Tips[edit]

  • When models with 2" melee go base to base with you to jam - apparate behind them and shoot them in the back.
  • Models with less than 2" melee cant jam you at all thanks to apparition.
  • When choosing CRA size take into account what you need to hit and how much damage you'll do. 2 man CRAs are very often the most efficient but this is not universal.
  • Be very aware of how much of the unit your opponent can kill - they die easily and you want to gain value off recursion and keep an effective unit chugging
  • Hollow Holdens roll happens in the maintenance phase - this lets you plan your activations dont forget him!
    • If you roll Weaken consider aiming at taking out a beast. Say you combine Curse of Shadows along with landing a Weaken shot, 2 man CRAs will be effectively rat 9 pow 15. Also briefly consider Assassination whenever you roll Weaken.
    • If you roll reposition 3 then you can skirmish with your hollowmen better. It lets you avoid the clumping that gets hollowmen destroyed. You can also move out of LOS by moving deeper into forests or slipping behind buildings etc.
  • On rare occasions the lantern man can use his ghost light to great effect. For example if a road block model like a MoW drakhun toes a zone it can be much more convenient to just walk it out and turn it around - also cancelling its shield.
  • Hollowmen are fast! They have an 11" melee threat and a 17" shooting threat - both of these are a little higher than typical. Holden himself has a terrifying 21" threat
  • Hollowmen get to aim surprisingly often, make sure you make good use of Apparition to gain the aiming bonus against important targets who were initially out of range.
  • You get to ignore a lot of standard tech against shooting, such as Concealment, Cloud walls and Stealth. This essentially is the compensation for being RAT 5 MAT 5, and it is a very powerful rule.
  • You can bait the opponent into fighting cheap as chips chaff hollowmen with their guns, and then nail them with your powerful backline models such as Neigh Slayers


Other[edit]

Trivia[edit]

  • Unit and CA released 2017.03
  • Holden went into CID 2017.11, his model was released in 2018.06

Theme Forces[edit]

Other Grymkin models[edit]

Grymkin Logo.jpg       Grymkin Index       (Edit)
Battlegroup
Warlocks

The Child - The Dreamer - The Heretic - The King of Nothing - The Wanderer - Old Witch 3
Arcana
Warlock Attachment: Baron Tonguelick

Warbeasts Lesser

Crabbit

Light

Frightmare - Gorehound - Rattler

Heavy

Cage Rager - Clockatrice - Skin & Moans

Units, Solos, & Battle Engines
Units

Dread Rots - Hollowmen - Mad Caps - Malady Man - Murder Crows - Neigh Slayers - Piggybacks - Twilight Sisters

Solos

Baron Tonguelick, Lord of Warts - Cask Imp - Glimmer Imp - Grave Ghoul - Gremlin Swarm - Lady Karianna Rose - Lord Longfellow - Trapperkin - Witchwood

Battle Engines Death Knell
Theme Forces Minions
Dark Menagerie - Bump in the Night

Eilish Garrity, the Occultist - Hermit of Henge Hold - J.A.I.M.s - Primal Archon

This index was last updated: 2019.04

Rules Clarifications[edit]

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Rules Clarification : Brutal Charge      (Edit)

  • If your charge movement was less than 3", your first attack is not considered a 'charge attack' and thus you won't get the Brutal Charge bonus.
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Rules Clarification : Unarmed      (Edit)

  • Since this model has no weapons it does not have a melee range.
    • This means it can't engage other models, declare charges, or make free strikes
    • Also it can't gain abilities that require a melee range (such as Ragman granting this model Dark Shroud).
  • However, other models that do have melee weapons can engage this model. So this model can still gain the "target in melee" shooting bonus.
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Rules Clarification:  : Magical Damage      (Edit)
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* The "Damage Type: Magical" is not inherited by "secondary" damage from a weapon. That is, stuff like arcs (Electro Leap) or hazards (Scather). (Infernal Ruling)
  • All spells have "Damage Type: Magical" (refer errata).
    • This is inherited by "immediate" secondary damage (such as Eruption of Spines). (Infernal Ruling)
    • and might be inherited by "lingering" secondary damage (see below).
  • If a spell leaves a template in play that does damage to models that walk around in it, then:
    • if it is not described as a hazard it will do magical damage to models that walk around in it. (Example: Razor Wall)
    • if it is a hazard then it will not do magical damage to models that walk around in it. Instead, it does whatever damage type is specified by the spell description. (Example: Breath of Corruption).
    • (Infernal Ruling)
  • If a weapon/spell includes Magic Damage and another kind of elemental damage it will still damage Incorporeal models. Incorporeal models are not affected by the rule "if an attack does multiple types of damage and a model is immune to at least one it is immune to the entire attack."
    The phrase "immune to non-magical damage" should be interpreted as "immune to damage that doesn't include Damage Type: Magical" (not interpreted as "has immunity to Corrosion and Electricity and Cold and etc.")


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Rules Clarification : Combined Ranged Attack      (Edit)

  • CRA cannot target models in melee ... unless the target is a huge-based model or the attacker has War-Tempered.
  • If you give the attack-leader a buff to their attack (such as Guidance) then that buff applies to the combined attack (even though the other participants don't have the buff). (Locked thread)
  • Assault & CRA (Edit)
    • You cannot mix Combined Range Attacks with Assault shots, as CRA works during your combat action and Assault shots occur before it. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Eyeless Sight      (Edit)

  • A model that ignores Stealth must ignore both aspects: both (1) the auto-missing, and (2) the 'not counting as an intervening model' parts.
    • This can have some strange interactions with casters & channelers, if one has Eyeless Sight and one does not. There are examples on the Category:Channeler page.
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Rules Clarification : Apparition      (Edit)

  • If a model is B2B with you when you use Apparition then they will be exactly 2" away afterwards. So you can't get away from 'long reach' melee weapons.
  • Unit members must always be placed in formation. Refer to the "Placed" section if the core rulebook.
    • If a trooper can't be placed in formation (because it's more than 2" out of formation to begin with) then it can't be placed at all.
    • The unit commander is always "In Formation" by definition, so can be placed where he likes.


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Rules Clarification : Officer      (Edit)

  • Even if they're not on the Officer's card, an Officer can give (and benefit from) any non-standard orders that are on the unit's card (such as Shield Wall). Refer main rulebook.
  • When the Officer dies, the Leader model becomes the new Unit Commander (you don't get to choose).
  • But if your unit doesn't include a Leader model, then you do get to choose any of the remaining models to be the new Unit Commander. You don't swap the model, but it may be worth putting a token down so you can tell that grunt apart.
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Rules Clarification : Tactics vs Granted     (Edit)

  • Granted = The unit loses the ability as soon as the model that grants it is taken off the table.
  • Tactics = The unit keeps the ability for the entire game, regardless of who dies.
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Rules Clarification : Blood-Bound      (Edit)

  • Blood-Bound works on both ranged and melee attacks.
  • Blood-Bound always RFPs and prevents token generation, regardless of whether all members of the unit are in play or not.
  • Your opponent cannot trigger Blood-Bound if he takes control of the model - while under the opponent's control, there is no "unit" to return models to.
  • (Devil's Shadows only): Ranking Officers (ie the Cephalyx Dominator) can be brought back via Blood Bound.
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Rules Clarification : Magic Ability      (Edit)

  • Almost every magic ability cannot be used on the same turn you charge. Because a charge must (almost always) be followed by a melee attack.
  • Using a Magic Ability counts as a spell, for effects such as Spell Ward, Witch Hunter, etc.
  • Unlike with warcasters/warlocks, using a Magic Ability is not an "any time" ability. This means:
    • You must complete your movement before you use a MA.
    • You cannot make ranged or melee attacks on the same turn you use a MA.
    • You cannot use a MA on the same turn you charge.
    • (Unless, of course, the rules for the specific MA you're using say you can.)
  • A model in a unit cannot use its Combat Action to cast a spell until all members of the unit have completed their movement. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Ghost Light      (Edit)

  • The movement occurs before the damage roll.

Rules Clarification : Obscuring Mist - None yet. (Edit)

Rules Clarification : Annoyance - None yet. (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Tactics vs Granted     (Edit)

  • Granted = The unit loses the ability as soon as the model that grants it is taken off the table.
  • Tactics = The unit keeps the ability for the entire game, regardless of who dies.
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Rules Clarification : Pathfinder      (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Poisoned Fate      (Edit)

  • If Holden is put into play via Blood Bound, you don't get his Fate until next round.
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Rules Clarification : Reposition      (Edit)

  • Models out of formation cannot move via Reposition. Refer to the "Out of Formation" rules in the core rulebook.
  • You cannot trigger abilities that occur "at the end of activation" (such as Sprint) after resolving Reposition, because your activation has ended. (Infernal Ruling) See also this article for a detailed explanation.
  • You cannot trigger abilities that occur "at any time" (such as Go To Ground) during a Reposition. Because you can't trigger it while moving, and after moving your activation has ended. (Infernal Ruling)
    • This holds true even if it's a unit with multiple Reposition moves. (Infernal Ruling)

Rules Clarification : Weaken - None yet. (Edit)

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Rules Clarification : Prowl      (Edit)

  • Whether you can trigger Prowl is a bit awkward; As long as you have concealment you can trigger Prowl ... even if the attacker ignores concealment, (such as with Hunter).
    • If you're standing in a cloud, and the attacker "ignores clouds for LOS" (such as Bird's Eye) you get Prowl.
    • If you're standing in a cloud, and the attacker "ignores clouds completely" (such as Alchemical Mask) you don't get Prowl. (Infernal Ruling)
    • Similar for standing in a forest.
  • If a debuff removes Stealth, Prowl does not reapply stealth. But this ruling is being rechecked. (Infernal Checking)
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Rules Clarification : Stealth      (Edit)

  • "Automatically missing" is not the same as "cannot be hit by".
  • For instance, a stealth model can still be the target of an AOE attack and although it auto-misses, if the AOE deviates onto them they will get damaged.

Rules Clarification : Sniper - None yet. (Edit)


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