Dawnguard Destors

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Retribution Logo.jpg Dawnguard Destors

Retribution Dawnguard Cavalry Unit

The elite cavalry of the Dawnguard, destors thunder across the battlefield to smash apart enemy lines or bring down heavily armored foes. Armed with lance cannons designed specifically for their order, the destors can soften an enemy from afar with unerring blasts from their weapons and then finish the job with a crushing cavalry charge. Many times it is the thundering hooves of a destor charge that deliver victory for the Retribution.

Basic Info

Dawnguard Destors
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RAT 6
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ARM 17
CMD 9
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COST 12 / 20
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Understanding
the Statblock

Abilities

  • Cavalry - All Cavalry come with a stack of standard special rules, most notably Impact Attacks and auto-boosted charge attacks. Click the link for the full rules text.
  • Dual Attack - This model can make melee and ranged attacks in the same activation. When this model makes its initial melee attacks or a power attack, it can also make its initial ranged attacks. This model can make ranged attacks even while in melee.
  • Reposition [3"] - At the end of an activation in which it did not run or fail a charge, this model can advance up to 3", then its activation ends.

Weapons

  • Lance Cannon - 10" range, POW 14 gun
  • Lance - 2" reach, P+S 14 melee attack (charge only)
    • Lance - This weapon can only be used to make charge attacks. This weapon has zero range at all other times.
    • Close Volley - When this model directly hits a model with this weapon, this model’s ranged attacks against that model automatically hit for one turn.
  • Mount - 0.5" reach, POW 12 mount attack

Theme Forces

Recent Changes

No changes since 2018.09

Thoughts on Dawnguard Destors

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Dawnguard Destors in a nutshell

Heavy Cavalry of the Retribution, the Destors can damage heavy targets as long as they can land a charge on them. Outside of charges, they usually stay at a distance and pepper the enemy lines with their cannons. Their recent changes allow them to shoot deep into enemy lines by charging one enemy and shooting at another. Close Volley allows them to guarantee a second POW 14 attack on anything they hit with their boosted MAT 7 (8 under Vyros2) cavalry charge attacks which can demolish multiwound infantry and many of the more DEF-oriented heavies like Warpwolves and dragonspawn. Against lighter infantry they can instead attack two different targets, though the unboosted RAT 6 shot has a hard time reliably hitting anything about DEF 12 or 13.

They can also play the role of ranged skirmishers, peppering the enemy with POW 14 gunfire and then retreating to 13" away from their targets. That puts them well outside the average unbuffed charge range, as in keeping with the Retribution's style they don't really want to eat a charge. DEF 13 ARM 17 is pretty good for cavalry but not fantastic and most charging infantry at or above POW 10ish will be able to clear them out pretty effectively; the Destory Thane's Unyielding aura can help a bit but it's still not ideal for them. They don't particularly want to get stuck in melee either as it reduces them to a single RNG 0.5 P+S 12 mount attack and their ranged attack.

Combos & Synergies

Warcasters

  • Elara2 - They can get a lot of mileage out of Scything Touch and from her feat's Boundless Charge and Ghostly. Marked for Death ups their range game significantly against targets they didn't charge.
  • Kaelyssa - Add Blur to replicate the same annoyance as the Storm Lances. Her feat can also help them get the charge off
  • Ossyan - Excellent targets for Quicken; Fortune is a good spell if you're worried about high DEF, and they get a lot of mileage due to having up to three attacks (impact, lance, and possibly shooting other targets. Ossyan's feat combined with their innate accuracy from Close Volley means they can wreck hard targets
  • Goreshade4 is an all-star with Destors, with spells that reduce the enemy's DEF and remove Stealth, an ARM debuff, handing out Ghostly, and Freezing Mists helping them get up the field. Dauntless Resolve makes them more durable, especially in melee with Unyielding.
  • Issyria can improve their accuracy and protect them from shooting with Blinding Light. Crusader's Call increases their threat range, Inviolable Resolve ups their durability, and her feat can drastically improve their accuracy and damage output.
  • Ravyn - Snipe gives them a walk and shoot threat of 22", and if they charge a target they can potentially shoot 25" away from their starting position! Veil of Mists can grant them Pathfinder and help get them up the field, and they don't make bad Countermeasures targets due to their boxes and potentially Unyielding from the Destor Thane.
  • Thyron - 2 excellent spells to help you with rough terrain and enemy upkeeps, and a feat which increases their mobility and accuracy. Keep in mind that impact attacks won't trigger Side Step during feat.
  • Vyros2 - You can reach your target easier under Deceleration, and his Veteran Leader bonus will help you both at range, and in combat.

Non-warcasters

  • Scyir - Tactics is a must, if you want to deliver all of your attacks. You probably wouldn't consider them without this guy. He also allows you to charge through your Wall of Steel'd Sentinels, or Invictor gunline.
  • Dawnguard Destor Thane - might be appealing due to Unyielding, however, you don't really want to get stuck in close combat for too long.
  • House Shyeel Artificer - DEF15 against ranged attacks on a unit that usually gets to decide when it gets engaged is great.

Drawbacks and Downsides

  • Expensive, large targets - which become even more expensive if you add support, especially so since said support can't be taken for free, in theme or otherwise.
  • They really need to land the charge to cause the most damage.
  • Consequently, anything that denies charges or melee attacks degrades them to a pure shooting unit, something the Retribution already has in spades.
  • No native Pathfinder, Tactics, or knockdown immunity.

Tricks & Tips

  • By walking and shooting, you have an effective range of 18". If you can't charge or don't have a good target, just advance, shoot, then reposition for a charge next turn.
  • Dual Attack does not specify that you have to attack the model(s) you are engaged with. Use it to charge the enemy front line and then take shots into their support models, Command Attachments, or even their caster (though at RAT 6 without boosts that last one may be trickier).

Other

Trivia

  • Originally released in Forces of Warmachine: Retribution of Scyrah (November 2009)
  • The name of 'Destor' is likely a mild corruption of the historic term 'destrier' which was the label given to warhorses that medieval knights rode on to jousts and into battle, otherwise known as the 'Great Horse'.

Retribution of Scyrah Models

Retribution Logo.jpg       Retribution Index       (Edit)
Battlegroup & Similar
Warcasters Elara2 - Garryth1 - Garryth2 - Goreshade4 - Helynna1 - Issyria1 - Kaelyssa1 - Ossyan1 - Rahn1 - Ravyn1 - Thyron1 - Vyros1 - Vyros2
Warcaster attachments Fane Knight Guardian (Retribution) - Sylys Wyshnalyrr (Retribution) - Madelyn Corbeau (Mercenary)
Other Warjack Controllers Elara1 (BGC) - Sentinel Scyir ('Jack Marshal) - Artificer ('Jack Marshal)
Light Warjacks Aspis - Chimera - Gorgon - Griffon - Harpy - Siren
Moros
Heavy Warjacks Banshee - Daemon - Hydra - Manticore - Phoenix - Sphinx
Discordia - Hypnos - Hemera - Imperatus
Colossal Hyperion - Helios
Units, Solos, & Battle Engines
Units Destors - Invictors - Sentinels - Heavy Rifle Team - Swordsmen - Arcanists - Battle Mages - Electromancers - Halberdiers - Riflemen - Infiltrators - Strike Force - Ryssovass Defenders - Stormfall Archers
Nyss Hunters - Spears of Scyrah
Special: Eiryss3 (CA) - Soulless Escort (WA)
Solos

Aelyth Vyr - Arcanist Mechanik - Destor Thane - Sentinel Scyir - Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios (1) - Eiryss, Angel of Retribution (2) - Eiryss, Fortune Hunter of Ios (4) - Elara, Tyro of the Third Chamber (1) - Fane Knight Guardian - Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen - Ghost Sniper - Hermit of Henge Hold - Artificer - Magister - Houseguard Thane - Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress Lys Healer - Assassin - Narn, Mage Hunter of Ios - Nayl - Priest of Nyssor - Soulless Voidtracer

Battle Engines Arcantrik Force Generator - Dawnguard Trident
Theme Forces
Defenders of Ios - Forges of War - Legions of Dawn - Shadows of the Retribution
Mercenaries
Units Lady Aiyana & Master Holt - Lynus Wesselbaum & Edrea Lloryrr
Solos

Dahlia Hallyr & Skarath - Eilish Garrity - Madelyn Corbeau, Ordic Courtesan - Void Archon

This index was last updated: 2019.05

Rules Clarifications

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Rules Clarification:  : Cavalry      (Edit)
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Mount Weapon
  • Although the core rulebook specifies mount weapons have 0.5" range, this doesn't "overwrite" models that have a longer mount range listed on their card. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Mount Weapons are melee weapons. (Infernal Ruling) This means:
    • Mount Attacks can benefit from any buffs that affect "melee weapons" (such as Acidic Touch and Elasticity) or "melee attacks" (such as Battle Lust).
    • Mount Weapons can be used to make free strikes.
    • If the model doesn't have any regular melee weapon (such as the Gun Carriage) then it does have a melee range, can engage enemy models, and can make free strikes; anyway.
    • Despite being a melee weapon, you cannot use a Mount's special attack on the same activation you charge. (Infernal Ruling)
      • Exception: If you have Trampling Hooves, because that allows you to make charge attacks with your mount when you charge.
  • Mount attacks will trigger "Melee attack" stuff like Battle Wizard.
  • You can purchase additional attacks with your Mount Weapon. (Infernal Ruling)

Impact Attacks - Movement

  • You cannot "stop" in an illegal position to carry out Impact Attacks. For instance, halfway over a linear obstacle, or a flying cavalry stopping while it 'overlaps' other models, or stopping halfway through an Incorporeal model.
    • The reason is, you need to obey the rule "this model can advance through [stuff] if they have enough movement to move completely past it".
    • Stopping during your movement doesn't satisfy that rule, whether that's the "stop" at the end of the model's normal movement or the "stop" for impact attacks.
  • If your charge target is included in your Impact Attacks, then you need to turn and face it and end your movement before starting the attacks (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks').
    • As such, things which trigger at "End of Movement" (such as Admonition) will occur before your Impact Attacks.
    • On the other hand, if your Impact Attacks don't include your charge target, then you're interupting your movement to resolve them, and thus stuff like Admonition won't trigger.

Impact Attacks - The attack(s)

  • You resolve stuff that occurs "after the attack is resolved" (such as Battle Wizard) before continuing with your charge movement.
  • If you have an ability that boosts your "first" melee attack (such as Stir the Blood), then only one attack will be boosted even though you're making multiple simultaneous attacks.
  • If you choose to make any impact attacks, you make all attacks against all models in the Mount's melee range (even friendly models).(Infernal Ruling)

Impact Attacks - Other

  • You cannot use "any time" abilities while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement; and you can only use 'any time' abilities before moving or after moving, but not during movement. (Infernal Ruling)
    • Exception: If your Impact targets include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities.

Cavalry unit

  • If you have a unit of Cavalry, charge them and do impact attacks, remember you interrupt movement to do impacts, but you have to resolve all movements before doing any charge attacks. So for example it would go:
    • Cavalry model A charges enemy X, and contacts model M. Stop and make impact attacks against M. Then continue movement to X.
    • Cavalry model B charges enemy Y, and contacts model N. Stop and make impact attacks against N. Then continue movement to Y.
    • Cavalry model C charges enemy Z, and contacts model O. Stop and make impact attacks against O. Then continue movement to Z.
    • Resolve model A's charge attack vs X, B's vs Y, and C's vs Z. (This can be done in any order, as per normal)

Other interactions

  • Countercharge & Cavalry ( Edit )
    • A model with Countercharge and Cavalry can make Impact Attacks during the countercharge. (Refer "Charges Outside of Activation" in the rulebook).
  • Warcaster/Warlock Cavalry ( Edit )
    • Warcasters/Warlocks can't cast spells or use their feat while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement - you can use spells or feat before moving, or after moving, but not during movement.
      • Exception: If your Impact target(s) include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities before starting the Impact attacks.
  • Flight on a Cavalry model (Edit)
    • Although you can move over obstacles/models while charging, if you want to stop and make Impact Attacks while you fly "over" models you need to stop in a legal position. You can't make Impact Attacks while your flying horse is on top of obstacles, models, etc.
  • Gunfighter & Cavalry ( Edit )
    • A cavalry model that charges then makes a Gunfighter attack will not gain a boosted charge attack roll, because a ranged attack is not a charge attack. (Infernal Ruling)
    • You also won't gain a boosted charge damage roll, as per normal for a Gunfighter.
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Rules Clarification : Dual Attack      (Edit)

  • If you have multiple ranged attacks and/or melee attacks, you can intermingle them in any order. (Infernal Ruling)
  • You can charge, make a ranged attack, then make your charge melee attack. Even though you made a ranged attack, that doesn't change the fact that your first melee attack is the charge attack. (Infernal Ruling)
  • You must complete all initial attacks before buying attacks. You can't go: Make an initial melee attack, then buy a melee attack, then make an initial ranged attack. (Locked Thread)
  • You can't use Dual Attack with a (★) attack. Dual Attack only lets you make either:
    1. Initial melee attacks and initial ranged attacks.
    2. Power attack and initial ranged attacks.
      Any other combination of (★ Attack) and initials is disallowed. See this thread for full explanation and links to relevant Infernal Rulings.
  • There is no penalty for shooting an enemy you are in melee with.
  • Your ranged attack(s) can target a model you are not in melee with. (Infernal Ruling)
  • Dual Attack & Drag ( Edit )
    • This is pretty-much limited to just the Prime Axiom under Syntherion
    • If you charge model A then utilise Dual Attack to make a ranged attack vs the same model, then you would get the free melee attack from Drag. The Drag attack is a charge attack. (Infernal Ruling)
    • If you charge model A then utilise Dual Attack to make a ranged attack vs a different model, then you would lose the free melee attack from Drag. Your first melee attack must be versus the charge target, and you cannot save the Drag attack for later. (Infernal Ruling)
    • If you didn't charge then ... just go nuts. There's no restrictions that I know of.
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Rules Clarification : Reposition      (Edit)

  • Models out of formation cannot move via Reposition. Refer to the "Out of Formation" rules in the core rulebook.
  • You cannot trigger abilities that occur "at the end of activation" (such as Sprint) after resolving Reposition, because your activation has ended. (Infernal Ruling) See also this article for a detailed explanation.
  • You cannot trigger abilities that occur "at any time" (such as Go To Ground) during a Reposition. Because you can't trigger it while moving, and after moving your activation has ended. (Infernal Ruling)
    • This holds true even if it's a unit with multiple Reposition moves. (Infernal Ruling)


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Rules Clarification : Lance      (Edit)

  • If you declare a charge but move less than 3", then it doesn't count as a charge attack and you can't use your Lance.
  • If you kill your charge target with an Impact Attack, then you "lose" your Lance attack. (Infernal Ruling)

Rules Clarification : Close Volley - None yet. (Edit)