Prime
This model is available in one Prime Army, Dark Host. It can also be used in the Unlimited game mode. You can view the other Mk3 models that made it into a Legacy Army at this page.
Note that the rest of this page is about the model's Mark III rules.
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Bane Riders are chosen from among the most vicious and spiteful of bane spirits, their minds intact enough to be given positions of prominence among the armies of the Dragonfather. Astride their undead mounts, these malicious thralls can become wraith-like to move through trees and buildings until the moment they strike with their bane blades to cut down enemies their leader has marked with unholy curses.
Basic Info
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| UNIT SIZE |
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| Warcaster 0 |
| BASE |
Large |
| SPD |
7 |
| STR |
7 |
| MAT |
7 |
| RAT |
N/A |
| M.A. |
N/A |
| DEF |
12 |
| ARM |
18 |
| CMD |
8 |
| ESSENCE |
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| FOCUS |
N/A |
| FURY |
N/A |
| THRS |
N/A |
| HP |
5 each |
| F. Field |
N/A |
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| FA |
2 |
| UNIT SIZE |
3 or 5 |
| COST |
11 or 17 |
| 3.4 pts each |
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| Warcaster 1 |
| COST |
N/A |
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Understanding
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Abilities
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Undead
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Cavalry
- Ghostly - This model can advance through terrain and obstacles without penalty and can advance through obstructions if it has enough movement to move completely past them. It cannot be targeted by free strikes.
- Reposition [3"] - At the end of an activation in which it did not run or fail a charge, this model can advance up to 3", then its activation ends.
- Vengeance - During your Maintenance Phase, if one or more models in this unit were damaged by enemy attacks during the last round, each model in the unit can advance 3" and make one basic melee attack.
Weapons
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RNG
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POW
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P+S
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- Brutal Charge - This model gains +2 to charge attack damage rolls with this weapon.
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POW
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Theme Forces
Thoughts on Bane Riders
Bane Riders in a nutshell
Since the "Bane errata", the Bane Riders can again do what they were intended to : resist small shooting on the approach, impact infantry and threaten heaviest targets by piling up. Why?
- They resist low POW shooting fairly well thanks to ARM18, which is one of the highest value in the game for heavy cavalry.
- This synergies very well with their new Vengeance ability, as doing some random shots on them and hoping to spike can backfire heavily by triggering Vengeance, which increases their volume of attacks and threat range.
- Their new 2" reach has given them back the ability to pile multiple charges on the same target (like a heavy warbeast or warjack). Double-boosted MAT7 POW15 strikes are a threat to almost anything in the game, especially in a faction that can pile up debuffs on juicy targets. Even if they don't kill their target, they can split up safely afterwards with the combination of Reposition and Ghostly.
Combos & Synergies
Non-casters
- The Wraith Engine has heavy synergy with Bane Riders : it buffs their ARM to 20 against shooting and magic, making them almost immune to unboosted ranged attacks, and Dark Shroud will allow them to hunt heavies.
- Desecrators gain a focus in their proximity. You can reposition your Riders into or behind its Scather safely to prevent them to get charged by single wound infantry.
- Bane Lord Tartarus's Veteran Leader ability can buff their MAT even higher.
- Darragh Wrathe can make them threaten 13" with Death Ride (16" if Vengeance is triggered), or go to pseudo-ARM20 against anything living in his CMD range.
Casters
- Goreshade2 hands out stealth, and they are high value targets for his feat.
- Goreshade3 can bring them back with Mockery of Life or give them Occultation or Scything Touch. Park half of the unit behind a forest and send the other half into combat to kill and be killed. On your next turn, Vengeance the remaining Riders through the forest and replace the fallen with Mokery, placing them behind the forest, Rinse and repeat every turn for as long as you can.
- Skarre1 and Bane Riders are made to work together. They threaten at least 12", which makes great use of her feat : with 3 dices to hit they can reliably take down many infantry models with Impact hits, she raises their charge attacks to absurd P+S levels, and afterwards they camp at least ARM23 against any strike.
- Goreshade2, Coven and Deneghra2 have Curse of Shadows which allows cavalry to impact attack a unit affected by Curse of Shadows, and if they fail to hit carry on with the charge unimpeded.
Downsides & Drawbacks
- With only average boxes and slightly higher than average ARM, these guys are prime targets for CRA's. Boosted damage moderately high POW shooting can take one out in one shot.
- They also don't have a lot of ability to stay entrenched in the slugfest so Repositons are key, along with follow ups.
Tricks & Tips
- You can use your Vengeance and Ghostly to go back 3" to get new charges or impact attacks, if needed.
- Reposition and Ghostly allow your Riders to pile multiple charges on the same target, like a heavy, and still spread out afterwards.
- Vengeance can allow you to move out-of-formation grunts back in formation freely.
Other
Trivia
Other Cryx models
Rules Clarifications
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Rules Clarification : Powerful Charge and/or Brutal Charge (Edit)
- If you declare a charge but move less than 3", then the attack doesn't count as a "Charge Attack" and you won't get the bonus.
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Rules Clarification : Undead - None yet. (Edit)
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Rules Clarification: : Cavalry (Edit)
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Mount Weapon
- Although the core rulebook specifies mount weapons have 0.5" range, this doesn't "overwrite" models that have a longer mount range listed on their card. (Infernal Ruling)
- Mount Weapons are melee weapons. (Infernal Ruling) This means:
- Mount Attacks can benefit from any buffs that affect "melee weapons" (such as Acidic Touch and Elasticity) or "melee attacks" (such as Battle Lust).
- Mount Weapons can be used to make free strikes.
- If the model doesn't have any regular melee weapon (such as the Gun Carriage) then it does have a melee range, can engage enemy models, and can make free strikes; anyway.
- Despite being a melee weapon, you cannot use a Mount's special attack on the same activation you charge. (Infernal Ruling)
- Exception: If you have Trampling Hooves, because that allows you to make charge attacks with your mount when you charge.
- Mount attacks will trigger "Melee attack" stuff like Battle Wizard.
- You can purchase additional attacks with your Mount Weapon. (Infernal Ruling)
Impact Attacks - Movement
- Impact Attacks "pause" your charge move, and as such don't normally trigger "ends an advance" abilities (such as Countercharge).
- The exception is if your Impact Attacks include your charge target, then you have to end the charge movement and turn to directly face the charge target before rolling any dice. In this case, stuff like Countercharge will get triggered before you get to roll your Impact Attacks.
- You cannot "pause" in an illegal position to carry out Impact Attacks. For instance: a Pathfinder cavalry model pausing halfway over an obstacle; a flying cavalry model pausing while it 'overlaps' other models; or any cavalry model pausing halfway through an Incorporeal model.
Impact Attacks - The attack(s)
- You resolve stuff that occurs "after the attack is resolved" (such as Battle Wizard) before continuing with your charge movement.
- If you have an ability that boosts your "first" melee attack (such as Stir the Blood), then only one attack will be boosted even though you're making multiple simultaneous attacks.
- If you choose to make any impact attacks, you make all attacks against all models in the Mount's melee range (even friendly models).(Infernal Ruling)
- Impact Attacks cannot be boosted, refer core rulebook.
- You cannot buy additional attacks while resolving Impact Attacks. Additional attacks can only be bought during your Combat Action, after resolving your initial melee attack(s) / special melee attack.
Impact Attacks - Other
- You cannot use "any time" abilities while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement; and you can only use 'any time' abilities before moving or after moving, but not during movement. (Infernal Ruling)
- Exception: If your Impact targets include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities.
Cavalry unit
- If you have a unit of Cavalry, charge them and do impact attacks, remember you interrupt movement to do impacts, but you have to resolve all movements before doing any charge attacks. So for example it would go:
- Cavalry model A charges enemy X, and contacts model M. Stop and make impact attacks against M. Then continue movement to X.
- Cavalry model B charges enemy Y, and contacts model N. Stop and make impact attacks against N. Then continue movement to Y.
- Cavalry model C charges enemy Z, and contacts model O. Stop and make impact attacks against O. Then continue movement to Z.
- Resolve model A's charge attack vs X, B's vs Y, and C's vs Z. (This can be done in any order, as per normal)
Other interactions
- Cavalry model with no melee weapon
- If you have a Mount weapon but no regular Melee weapon (such as the Efaarit Scout), you can still declare a charge. (Locked thread)
- You can make Impact Attacks along the way.
- Once you get to the charge target, however, you can't make a melee attack against it. Because you can't use the mount weapon for a charge attack, due to the way the Cavalry rules are written. (Unless you have a rule like Trampling Hooves.)
- If you don't charge, the mount attack can be used as an initial melee attack.
- Countercharge & Cavalry ( Edit )
- A model with Countercharge and Cavalry can make Impact Attacks during the countercharge. (Refer "Charges Outside of Activation" in the rulebook).
- Warcaster/Warlock Cavalry ( Edit )
- Warcasters/Warlocks can't cast spells or use their feat while resolving Impact Attacks. Because Impact Attacks occur during movement - you can use spells or feat before moving, or after moving, but not during movement.
- Exception: If your Impact target(s) include your charge target, then your movement has ended (refer rulebook, last paragraph of 'Impact Attacks') and thus you're fine to use "any time" abilities before starting the Impact attacks.
- Flight on a Cavalry model (Edit)
- Although flyers can move over obstacles/models, and horses can pause to do impacts while charging, flying horses cannot make impact attacks while overlapping models/obstacles. You need to pause in a legal position.
- Gunfighter & Cavalry ( Edit )
- A cavalry model that charges then makes a Gunfighter attack will not gain a boosted charge attack roll, because a ranged attack is not a charge attack. (Infernal Ruling)
- You also won't gain a boosted charge damage roll, as per normal for a Gunfighter.
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Rules Clarification : Ghostly (Edit)
- Ghostly doesn't let you move through other models, just terrain.
- Ghostly doesn't let you ignore damage from hazardous terrain. (Infernal Ruling)
- Ghostly ignores Windswept terrain penalties. A model with both Flight and Ghostly will move through Windswept terrain at full speed. (Infernal Ruling)
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Rules Clarification : Reposition (Edit)
- Models out of formation cannot move via Reposition. Refer to the "Out of Formation" rules in the core rulebook.
- End of Activation (Edit)
- You cannot resolve two end-of-activation movement effects (refer to "End of Activation Movement" in the core rulebook). For EOA stuff that doesn't involve movement, though, it gets a bit more murky:
- Some EOA abilities explicitly state your activation ends as part of resolving the ability (like Reposition), and some don't (like Refuge).
- Whether it is explicit it or not, by definition an EOA ability is the last thing you can do for that activation. For instance, if you resolve Refuge and then continue your activation to cast more spells, then you have not used Refuge at the end of your activation.
- You cannot do an "at any time" ability during or after triggering an EOA ability; you cannot cast spells, purchase additional attacks, use a mini-feat, etc.
- If you start resolving an EOA movement (such as Reposition) then you cannot trigger abilities that occur "at any time" (such as Go To Ground). Because you can't trigger it while resolving the EOA movement, and after the EOA movement your activation has ended. (Infernal Ruling)
- For units: if any model in the unit starts resolving the unit's EOA movement, then no model in the unit can trigger an any-time ability. (Infernal Ruling)
- See also the training article: LPG - End of Activation.
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Rules Clarification : Vengeance and/or Righteous Vengeance and/or Retaliation and/or Swift Vengeance and/or Tantrum (Edit)
- Vengeance moves do not have to be towards an enemy model.
- You can choose to not move, but still get the attack. One is not conditional on the other.
- Vengeance is not an activation. It does not prevent the model/unit from activating and acting normally later in the turn.
- Stationary and knocked down models may not perform Vengeance moves nor attacks.
- Units only
- Out of formation models cannot make Vengeance moves nor Vengeance attacks.
- However if the unit commander uses their movement to bring the Grunts back into formation, then they can move and attack.
- When resolving Vengeance, move all models in the unit before making any attacks. (Infernal Ruling)
- If you have more than one unit with Vengeance, move all of unit A then complete all of unit A's attacks, before starting to move unit B.
- If you manage to spawn new models during the Maintenance Phase (such as with Reconstruction or Blood-Bound) then those new models can also make Vengeance attacks. (Infernal Ruling)
- Due to the way it is worded Vengeance can be "inherited" by unit attachments that do not actually have the Vengeance ability themselves. For instance, a Soulless Escort attached to the Spears of Scyrah.
- If anyone is damaged, including the attachment, everyone in the unit gets to trigger Vengeance.
- But if everyone is killed except the attachment, then he doesn't get to trigger Vengeance because the rule is "no longer on the table".
- Granted [ Vengeance ]
- If the model granting Vengeance dies, the unit will not get any Vengeance attacks.
- It is "If you have Vengeance, and you were damaged last turn, you get a move+attack."
- It is not "If you get damaged, you get Vengeance next turn."
- If you lose Vengeance halfway through resolving Vengeance, then you stop resolving Vengeance immediately. (Infernal Ruling)
- Triggers
- Only enemy attacks trigger Vengeance. There are plenty of ways enemies can damage you without attacking you (such as Electro Leap) and these will not trigger Vengeance.
- If a CA has Granted: Vengeance then only models in formation have it. However, models that are damaged while out of formation can trigger Vengeance, they just will not benefit from it. (Locked thread)
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